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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in to as well as some sort of "pride", which many young people are incredibly susceptible. Heck, it seems terrorist groups and such tend to aim for younger demographics, at least among Neo Nazis, and apparent ISIL.



as a mentally unstable person myself, i have a hard time understanding this killing.....
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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in to as well as some sort of "pride", which many young people are incredibly susceptible. Heck, it seems terrorist groups and such tend to aim for younger demographics, at least among Neo Nazis, and apparent ISIL.



as a mentally unstable person myself, i have a hard time understanding this killing.....


I use mentally unstable in a looser term than perhaps than how professionals use it, but a great deal of the pride exuded by racial supremacists seems to be linked to a lack of pride in themselves, claiming accomplishments just by sharing the same general "race" as another person who would probably be disgusted at what a piece of trash they are. They exert superiority to further their status, to physical entities to hate and hurt while perhaps ignoring the real enemies are themselves.

Of course, not all flagrant racists are the same, but when one talks shit on the internet about how blacks are ruining neighborhoods or whites are oppressing them without ever so much as leave the house, much less meeting one, it is hard not to see where self esteem issues come from when all one does is being a bully on the internet.

The association with extreme groups centered around ideology is not something I would consider myself that knowledgeable in, but I read some insights about why people would join those groups in the first place. You have dictators who appeal to national pride best when people feel their lowest.

Some people feel ashamed when they shouldn't, then don't feel shame when they should. Many of them are thugs for a reason.


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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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These Muslims that commit these evil acts are not true Muslims. Most Muslims are good people. These bad apples do no represent all of them. But the good ones need to say and do something about the bad ones. These bad apples are making all of them look bad.


Funny that Muslims are the only religion expected to be responsible for the actions of a tiny fraction.

Should the Christians likewise do and say something about the LRA? The LRA are making them look bad. Should the Buddhists do and say something about the BBS? The BBS are making them look bad. What about the Jews and Lehava? The Hindus and Bajrang Dal?



Thing is, you are both right.

It is hypocritical to expect muslim faiths to take care of their bad apples without expecting others to do the same.

All the faiths should get about to taking care of their bad apples and making amends with the people hurt by them.
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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in to as well as some sort of "pride", which many young people are incredibly susceptible. Heck, it seems terrorist groups and such tend to aim for younger demographics, at least among Neo Nazis, and apparent ISIL.



as a mentally unstable person myself, i have a hard time understanding this killing.....


You just aren't the "right" kind of unstable then. Be glad.
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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in.


That ^

It's almost as if extremists are extreme regardless of ideology...



Heh, what? Did the guys affected by Neo Nazi ideology do anything extreme here, or was it just the guy affected by Islamic ideology?
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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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runec wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in.


That ^

It's almost as if extremists are extreme regardless of ideology...



Heh, what? Did the guys affected by Neo Nazi ideology do anything extreme here, or was it just the guy affected by Islamic ideology?


It seems he went from Neo Nazi to Muslim, then killed his roommates who were Neo Nazis.

Seems indicative of a confused and troubled youth at 18, or one who cannot think of a good excuse for his crime. It seems more feasible that there are underlying issues with him beyond the two ideologies.
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Posted 5/25/17 , edited 5/25/17

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runec wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
This is saddening that such people would be mentally unstable enough to seek extreme ideologies with extreme hate to align themselves to, regardless if it is Muslim extremists or Neo Nazis.

Similarly, many ideologies like these are often attractive to those seeking acceptance of some sort from what I have heard, or a higher calling to purpose to throw themselves in.


That ^

It's almost as if extremists are extreme regardless of ideology...



Heh, what? Did the guys affected by Neo Nazi ideology do anything extreme here, or was it just the guy affected by Islamic ideology?


Again, at least one of the neo nazis was planning a bombing. Seems pretty extreme to me.
http://lawnewz.com/crazy/accused-killers-neo-nazi-roommate-arrested-over-explosives-fbi-says/
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Again, at least one of the neo nazis was planning a bombing. Seems pretty extreme to me.
http://lawnewz.com/crazy/accused-killers-neo-nazi-roommate-arrested-over-explosives-fbi-says/


It was just a homemade clock, he was gonna be a rocket scientist
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Religion = bad. Should be banned from practise worldwide.
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Heh, what? Did the guys affected by Neo Nazi ideology do anything extreme here, or was it just the guy affected by Islamic ideology?


Yeaaah, like octo said one of them had explosives materials, bomb components and plans. He had also issued death threats and threats to bomb infrastructure online. He's been arrested and charged with possession of an unregistered destructive device and unlawful storage of explosive material.

I mean the guy had a framed picture of Timothy McVeigh in his bedroom. Plus some thorium and americium that set off the bomb squad's radiation detectors.

This is the stuff he had: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNnGVRf3XY

Except he had a cooler full of it as well as some ammonium nitrate, electric fuses, etc.

So, yeah, the irony is one roommate converting and flipping out may have saved a lot of lives.



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Per usual, no one actually reads what happened. Give the neo-nazis a pass for plotting their bomb, and immediately start whining about muslims.
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So, yeah, the irony is one roommate converting and flipping out may have saved a lot of lives.


Not so much irony. Rather, evidence that preemptive violence could save lives.
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I would not say it is right. He appears to be in the position to alert police. I believe preemptive violence could save lives, of course, but it did seem to be an immediate emergency that could have been resolved with a police call. It certainly would have been better for him to call.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I would not say it is right. He appears to be in the position to alert police. I believe preemptive violence could save lives, of course, but it did seem to be an immediate emergency that could have been resolved with a police call. It certainly would have been better for him to call.


^this.
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Huh, I always was saying that it would be great if we could just put all of ISIS and neonazis in one giant room and with some luck, when we open the door later, noone is alive inside.


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