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Posted 5/27/17 , edited 5/27/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

That being said, I felt Graveyard of the Fireflies does not deserve the praise, where it is often misplaced on the rather conspicuous flaws.


While Grave of the Fireflies is a flawed movie, it's ending probably hit me harder than any other movie. It's just so empty. It just ends, and then the credits creep in and there is no resolution to cling to. I wept like a baby for a solid thirty minutes. I didn't think I would either, but the ending crept up on me.

I think it deserves a lot of praise for being able to pull that kind of story off, and honestly, I feel like most of the "faults" were in service to the overall feel of the movie...


I agree with the principal argument against it. Seita was irresponsible, but his character is inconsistent with the culture at the time, with logic itself, and more akin to a child far younger than 13. This had the premise for a coming of age film, but ultimately subverts with their deaths. My main criticism hails from the premise after they left the aunt, and the measures that Seita employed.

Which is "You not only do not apologize to your aunt over your pride, but you also know the situation for Setsuko is dire enough that you steal crops during wartime and risk being beaten?"

I am sure besides the rather strict elder worship in Japan back then and now would make Seita more compliant with being apologetic, but the fact he knows he has to steal is simply aggravating, when thievery is universally frowned upon by virtually every society with the concept of private ownership, and is much worst for the draconian rules of imperial Japan.

Quite frankly, I think the consistency for stealing and apologizing is right. Seita did not need to steal food that was scarce during wartime, he needed to apologize for his aunt to receive their ration shares. Seita did not do anything but play around, and ultimately, this helps the film with its subversion while wasting everyone's time by building nothing of value for its pitiful climax, which is sad, sure, but infuriating in the most meta way possible. They played themselves like the grasshopper in a certain fable, which effectively doubles to life the audiences spirit, only for the coming of age to be subverted while the scenario is played straight, and effectively dashes the audience's hope by performing the most expected outcome in real life, where nothing was ultimately reaped.

You may argue their children, but I would argue that this is not only inconsistent with the beliefs of that culture, but it is morally inconsistent with my deeply held convictions, for perhaps different reasons. The aunt, while an asshole, was right. Setsuko was safe, why should he stay home and play all day? He should not, he should have contributed to the war effort, or actually help supplement the food scarcity hitting the civilian population, to which he is apart of. He did not need to steal, but chose it over the "horrible" nature of having to apologize to his aunt, and sacrifice his pride, which only ends up getting him and Setsuko killed. He took the path of the most resistance with the least success, and honestly? I expect a 13 year old in either his era or mind to be more sensible, if not opportunistic. He is spoiled compared to the orphans of my country and elsewhere, and this infuriating when a spoiled, entitled young man is willing to risk the livelihood of his 4 year old sibling and himself when he won't fucking say a few words that needed to be said and acknowledged. Children have done much worst to secure their future in even more volatile countries and for less sustenance than Seita. Seita got a good deal, and did not see it. I see no reason not to apologize or refuse.

Fuck preteen mentality in general, I would expect him to be a better bigger brother in general, and I would expect the thought to cross his mind when the farmer urged him to apologize.

Fuck that shitty onii chan. Fuck fuck fuck.

So in essence, the film was less about the toll of war on a nation's most vulnerable, but an indirect message about how devastating persistent immaturity can be, or the need to grow up. Except the film believes that it is, and never acknowledges Seita's mistake, and what for? If it was about the need to grow up and be an adult, it really has no issue being a war film at all. It is a universal theme that could easily be in American youths in a high school as well as a zombie drama.

I recommend Barefoot Gen as the better movie overall.
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Posted 5/27/17
If a movie is just a recap I won't bother with it. I'm really loving Kyoto Animation's movies. I've only dabble into them a bit, but I really loved, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya and Tamako Love Story. Next one on my radar is Koe no Katachi (A Silent Voice).
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Posted 5/27/17 , edited 5/27/17

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I agree with the principal argument against it. Seita was irresponsible, but his character is inconsistent with the culture at the time, with logic itself, and more akin to a child far younger than 13. This had the premise for a coming of age film, but ultimately subverts with their deaths. My main criticism hails from the premise after they left the aunt, and the measures that Seita employed.


I can't speak of whether or not anyone's actions in the film contradicts the time period because I don't know enough about it, however, it is semi-autobiographical so I think that it is at least realistic to a certain extent.

That said, I agree that Seita made poor decisions, but I don't consider an immature character who makes mistakes to be a "flaw". The aunt (or more specifically, the war) put both of them in a really shitty position, and while it may have been better than the life they found elsewhere, I don't really blame Seita for being unable to tolerate it. I think the poor decisions that Seita made and the difficult choices he was forced to make are a lot of what gives the film its impact.

Like I said, these "flaws" I think are what makes the movie what it is and I think that the impact at the end wouldn't have been quite the same if Seita wasn't such a flawed character.

EDIT: I don't think the film "never acknowledges Seita's mistake", I think the film generally stays out of making omnipotent moral judgments. I think it puts the duty of deciding right and wrong on the viewers, and because there are so many lose-lose choices it adds to the hopeless feeling of the movie.
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I love anime films, I live 2 hours from London and regularly catch a train up their to watch the latest films on their one off screening
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Posted 6/1/17
I say eh, unless its studio glibly
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Posted 6/1/17

eggrollsama wrote:

I say eh, unless its studio glibly



Same.
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Posted 6/1/17 , edited 6/1/17
Well, I wouldn't glibly reject all films other than Ghibli's - Mamoru Hosoda's films are quite good, as is "your name.".

That said, I think a 12-50 episode series is a good length for most stories worth telling. One film is too short, a hundred episodes is too long.
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Posted 6/2/17 , edited 6/2/17
If its a stand alone film or a movie adapting the canon end of a LN/Manga for an already ended series then its awesome. If it is a non canon plot that takes place in a timeframe that you can't really nail down (ALL Bleach/Fairy Tail movies) then it is complete trash. Might as well be reading someone's dumb fanfiction.
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Posted 6/4/17
I tend to like them, most of the anime movies I have seen are not boring. However, some can be a bit too long. I dont really like the naruto movies but I like the anime series.
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