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Posted 5/29/17 , edited 5/29/17

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Yeah, and those "innovations" insurance companies are "coming up with" are things that have already been around. High-risk pools aren't some crazy new thing that insurers just thought of now. They've existed before, and their results are well known. Hint: it's not what you're predicting.


It's called the freedom of choice, I'm sure you leftists are familiar with that, yeah? With competition, companies are forced to innovate...which in turn lower prices to a desirable amount. Although it's kind of hard to innovate when you have a terrible mandate program called ObamaCare in place...
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BlueOni wrote:


Yeah, and those "innovations" insurance companies are "coming up with" are things that have already been around. High-risk pools aren't some crazy new thing that insurers just thought of now. They've existed before, and their results are well known. Hint: it's not what you're predicting.


It's called the freedom of choice, I'm sure you leftists are familiar with that, yeah? With competition, companies are forced to innovate...which in turn lower prices to a desirable amount. Although it's kind of hard to innovate when you have a terrible mandate program called ObamaCare in place...


The only field insurance companies are concerned with innovating in is new and interesting ways to separate you from your cash.
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The only field insurance companies are concerned with innovating in is new and interesting ways to separate you from your cash.


Welcome to capitalism 101? That phone you're using is a prime example of what you just said.
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It's called the freedom of choice, I'm sure you leftists are familiar with that, yeah? With competition, companies are forced to innovate...which in turn lower prices to a desirable amount. Although it's kind of hard to innovate when you have a terrible mandate program called ObamaCare in place...


So in order to stand by your analysis you've resorted to ad hominems and insistence that what high-risk pooling with subsidies to insurers did before (jack up premiums so high plans were out of reach for lots of sick people and offer limited coverage to those lucky enough to get on board at all while generating enormous funding gaps) simply won't happen again because, uh, freedom of choice and markets are magic.

Good talk, chief. I think I'll take my leave of it, though.
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I think most people already know this about the Democratic party. At least, I was taught all this in a high school Civics/Social Studies course.
This was what the Democratic party used to be. Historically, they were the more oppressive until they began to realize that they wouldn't be able to get votes because of progressives (oh hey, sound familiar?). So that's when the Democratic party "reinvented" itself and began to become more liberal/progressive. When they were seen as more progressive than the Republican party, people began to vote for them due to the mindset of the average citizen was driving closer to a liberal one (social/civil equality, socialist tendencies, etc).

Because there was a niche market left for the "slightly conservative" to "extreme conservative" citizens that were disenfranchised by the Democratic party's "new image" - the Republicans became the conservative party. Now you've caught up to where we are in modern day United States.


Which is pretty much why I chuckle whenever Amayas or whoever brings up a meme pertaining to the GOP's civil war era accomplishments, ending slavery and what not. The parties have pretty much swapped hats since that time period.


It's funny how they always fail to mention that Republicans were liberal during the time of the civil rights movements and previously, I wonder why...

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BlueOni wrote:


Yeah, and those "innovations" insurance companies are "coming up with" are things that have already been around. High-risk pools aren't some crazy new thing that insurers just thought of now. They've existed before, and their results are well known. Hint: it's not what you're predicting.


It's called the freedom of choice, I'm sure you leftists are familiar with that, yeah? With competition, companies are forced to innovate...which in turn lower prices to a desirable amount. Although it's kind of hard to innovate when you have a terrible mandate program called ObamaCare in place...


Capitalism is one thing, the government trying to enact laws to help it along is another thing altogether. By your own logic if a company's product is that damn good why does the government have to help them? The market regulates itself right? Oh wait... that doesn't always happens.

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Like how you replied ignoring everything i wrote to continue the concern trolling. It's almost as if you're disingenuous about the whole issue.


Or maybe I have a slightly different idea of what "the issue" is, eh? Maybe, just maybe, being a northerner from a state that literally never had slaves, "the issue" is different, given that "the issue" is intrinsically a matter of value and priorities? Maybe, for me, "the issue" isn't a regionally strategy focused on a region far, far away from me, but rather the continuous apathy for and abuse of human rights, displayed by the Democratic Party, from its inception, and getting worse and worse as time goes by. Maybe I'm not nearly as bothered by the Republican's courting of the severed and shriveled limb of the Democrat's terrorist arm as I am at their blatant dehumanizing of human beings, which has given us fruit that Satan himself could not have hoped to harvest --- 55 million American children murdered by their own mothers?
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-Democrats like to spend on various programs the list is long..think tax
also most them are pro-choice and get riled up about it.

-Republicans want cut back on spending and change forced Obama-care.

> And both parties are messed up to some degree
> there is more i could say but nope i don't want this to be a long list of dialog.
> If you did notice i said no party is perfect both have issues.
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Seems like about every two months someone 'cleverly' digs up some 'expose' on the southern Democratic party before the civil rights era and try to equate it to modern day politics, the Southern Strategy and that most of the southern Democrats swapped to the Republican party, and then two months later someone 'cleverly' digs up some 'expose' on the southern Democratic party in the pre-civil rights era.

But hey, if a history of bigoted bullshit is what you hate about the Democrats, you're not going to get any better with the Republican party that absorbed much of that bullshit and carries it forward with voter ID laws and gerrymandering aimed at disenfranchising minority voters.
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The fact that I don't even need to consider whether or not some of you are being sarcastic saddens me.
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-Democrats like to spend on various programs the list is long..think tax
also most them are pro-choice and get riled up about it.

-Republicans want cut back on spending and change forced Obama-care.

> And both parties are messed up to some degree
> there is more i could say but nope i don't want this to be a long list of dialog.
> If you did notice i said no party is perfect both have issues.


Except historticly over the last 40 years democarts have cut government more then the GOP who give lip service to cuts while cutting taxes and increeing military spending while giveing more grants and substidies and such to corprations. Obama Cut the deficit in half and even consertive economsit admit if he contined he would of ended up cutting the debt. Trump has declared he will end said course and Incress military spending, cut taxes, and spend more. Just like Bush jr did After clinton also cut the deficit and was on path to cut the debt.
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neotag wrote:


Like how you replied ignoring everything i wrote to continue the concern trolling. It's almost as if you're disingenuous about the whole issue.


Or maybe I have a slightly different idea of what "the issue" is, eh? Maybe, just maybe, being a northerner from a state that literally never had slaves, "the issue" is different, given that "the issue" is intrinsically a matter of value and priorities? Maybe, for me, "the issue" isn't a regionally strategy focused on a region far, far away from me, but rather the continuous apathy for and abuse of human rights, displayed by the Democratic Party, from its inception, and getting worse and worse as time goes by. Maybe I'm not nearly as bothered by the Republican's courting of the severed and shriveled limb of the Democrat's terrorist arm as I am at their blatant dehumanizing of human beings, which has given us fruit that Satan himself could not have hoped to harvest --- 55 million American children murdered by their own mothers?


So you want to ignore/ dismiss history so you can continue to bash the democartic party for shit that's not real. Why Am I not suprised by that.
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So you want to ignore/ dismiss history so you can continue to bash the democartic party for shit that's not real. Why Am I not suprised by that.


On the contrary, I am focusing intently on a much more pertinent and significant part of history: the contiguous opposition to and abuse of basic human rights by the Democratic Party, throughout it's existence. The Southern Strategy is significant, but nearly as much as a pattern that has caused both a Civil War, and the ruining of and destruction of tens of millions of lives.
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neotag wrote:


So you want to ignore/ dismiss history so you can continue to bash the democartic party for shit that's not real. Why Am I not suprised by that.


On the contrary, I am focusing intently on a much more pertinent and significant part of history: the contiguous opposition to and abuse of basic human rights by the Democratic Party, throughout it's existence. The Southern Strategy is significant, but nearly as much as a pattern that has caused both a Civil War, and the ruining of and destruction of tens of millions of lives.



abuse of basic human rights by the Democratic Party, throughout it's existence


I mean if you guys are so concerned about human rights violations from 150+ years ago you should probably also be in support of reparations for African Americans too right?

Said no one in your party.


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Posted 5/30/17 , edited 5/30/17

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I would think the left parties would split their share about 50-50 given recent electoral results at first, with the "Socialist Party" ultimately winning out and claiming a larger share of the overall left vote over time given the relative popularity of figures like Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders compared to the relative unpopularity of figures like Tom Perez, Hillary Clinton, and indeed the Democratic Party as an institution..


This is certainly what it looks like if you look at the media and social media, but if you look at actual polling in 2016, Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by a landslide (13-point margin) in the primaries. Rather than half of the democrats being socialist, it would appear that slightly over half of the vocal democrats are socialist even though that group makes up a minority of actual democrats.

Of course, one could also argue that so many people supported Clinton because they thought she was more qualified for the position, which would be fair. That's kinda how I stand actually: I like Sanders' ideas but I don't like what his movement has become, and I don't think his ideas would be possible to implement effectively in the current political landscape.
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