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Posted 5/30/17 , edited 5/30/17

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How do you think America will become in the coming years?Will the country get more divided?Will trump serve a second term or get impeached?Will the right or left gain more power?I also encourage you to not be civil with eachother.Here's to seeing how long this forum lasts.


Trump will get a 2nd term hands down, not because he's doing a great job, but rather I have a bad feeling that the other side is going to nominate someone that most liberals will find impossible to pull the lever for. (A corporate stooge like Booker comes to mind) I highly doubt he will get impeached. Also, the blue collar Democrat cultural backlash against the radical elements of the SJW movement is going to continue to isolate some Democrats, since such social views are not compatible with that wing of the party, but that is more of a long term issue.

Despite these things, I suspect the left will gain more power during the midterms for one reason and one reason only: healthcare. Sure their current policies suck, but they aren't as bad as Ryancare. They might get back the Senate, but the House will remain safely in Republican hands since the Democrats are still having a disconnect issue with rural and rust belt voters.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, I might be one of the only ones to say this, but they need to shift a bit more left on fiscal issues (push stuff like paid leave, social security funding, etc. that are pretty popular with Independents), and shift a little bit to the right on social ones (start condemning the current radical elements that are giving them a bad name ANTIFA and the like), and become less interventionist in general.

Will the country be more divided. Hmm, if things continue to go the current way yes. What is dividing the country more than anything is that status quo economic policy is benefiting some people a lot in certain urban areas and leaving others behind. If this problem does not get addressed soon, I regretfully must say that things are going to get much, much worse.



A fine line must continue to remain between the separation of Church and State. The Left needs to accept that not everyone is going to agree with them on everything and that Churches ought to continue to be able to exercise their 1st amendment right to freedom of religion even if they do not like their position on a given issue..
The Right needs to understand that even if they disagree with a certain lifestyle that does not give them a right to legislate laws to discriminate against certain classes of people. There is a common sense middle to the issue.
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ronin99 wrote:

How do you think America will become in the coming years?Will the country get more divided?Will trump serve a second term or get impeached?Will the right or left gain more power?I also encourage you to not be civil with eachother.Here's to seeing how long this forum lasts.


Trump will get a 2nd term hands down, not because he's doing a great job, but rather I have a bad feeling that the other side is going to nominate someone that most liberals will find impossible to pull the lever for. (A corporate stooge like Booker comes to mind) I highly doubt he will get impeached. Also, the blue collar Democrat cultural backlash against the radical elements of the SJW movement is going to continue to isolate some Democrats, since such social views are not compatible with that wing of the party, but that is more of a long term issue.

Despite these things, I suspect the left will gain more power during the midterms for one reason and one reason only: healthcare. Sure their current policies suck, but they aren't as bad as Ryancare. They might get back the Senate, the House will remain safely in Republican hands, since the Democrats are still having a disconnect issue with rural and rust belt voters.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, I might be one of the only ones to say this, but they need to shift a bit more left on fiscal issues (push stuff like paid leave, social security funding, etc. that are pretty popular with Independents), and shift a little bit to the right on social ones (start condemning the current radical elements that are giving them a bad name ANTIFA and the like).


God,I can't stand Cory booker.I agree with your sentiment on the sjw movement, they are a cancer to the democratic party.I also agree about the changes their going to need to make if they want to win in 2020.They really need to start condemning the sjw movement,as it's driving away a lot of liberals,myself included.Leaning more left on fiscal issues is also a great idea.
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ronin99 wrote:

How do you think America will become in the coming years?Will the country get more divided?Will trump serve a second term or get impeached?Will the right or left gain more power?I also encourage you to not be civil with eachother.Here's to seeing how long this forum lasts.


Trump will get a 2nd term hands down, not because he's doing a great job, but rather I have a bad feeling that the other side is going to nominate someone that most liberals will find impossible to pull the lever for. (A corporate stooge like Booker comes to mind) I highly doubt he will get impeached. Also, the blue collar Democrat cultural backlash against the radical elements of the SJW movement is going to continue to isolate some Democrats, since such social views are not compatible with that wing of the party, but that is more of a long term issue.

Despite these things, I suspect the left will gain more power during the midterms for one reason and one reason only: healthcare. Sure their current policies suck, but they aren't as bad as Ryancare. They might get back the Senate, but the House will remain safely in Republican hands since the Democrats are still having a disconnect issue with rural and rust belt voters.

If the Democrats want to win in 2020, I might be one of the only ones to say this, but they need to shift a bit more left on fiscal issues (push stuff like paid leave, social security funding, etc. that are pretty popular with Independents), and shift a little bit to the right on social ones (start condemning the current radical elements that are giving them a bad name ANTIFA and the like), and become less interventionist in general.

Will the country be more divided. Hmm, if things continue to go the current way yes. What is dividing the country more than anything is that status quo economic policy is benefiting some people a lot in certain urban areas and leaving others behind. If this problem does not get addressed soon, I regretfully must say that things are going to get much, much worse.



A fine line must continue to remain between the separation of Church and State. The Left needs to accept that not everyone is going to agree with them on everything and that Churches ought to continue to be able to exercise their 1st amendment right to freedom of religion even if they do not like their position on a given issue..
The Right needs to understand that even if they disagree with a certain lifestyle that does not give them a right to legislate laws to discriminate against certain classes of people. There is a common sense middle to the issue.


I actually agree with you. I think healthcare is going to be the saving grace for democrats. I also think your right about the direction of the party, as it's been incredibly out of touch with the average American, which is why Trump the populist could come in.

And that's the key, populism and nationalism. Right now we are in a time of populism; which isn't just an American thing but is strong in Britain, France and even Japan... And I think this mindset is key to the future. America will continue it's nationalistic idea, and continue to resist globalization. But what I think is going to happen is that it's going to really hurt our foreign trade relations, and thus may negatively effect our GDP. I'm basing this purely on speculation, but is a possibility I see coming.

However, if the democrats can change their entire strategy, they may be able to play with this mindset. Also as young people continue to enter the political arena, I have a feeling conservatism will move away from the nationalism that we have now to a more libertarian/globalist conservative view. Young people (myself included) are embracing libertarian/classical liberal positions much more than our older counter parts. I have a feeling with the republican party in as much disarray as it is, we may see conservatism change a bit.

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America is falling apart lol. The various movements are becoming more radical everyday and more and more people are giving up on themselves or blaming others for their own failings. There's more 'us' vs 'them' mentality going around. Information wars are quickly becoming priority #1 and powerful/influential people/entities are unabashedly pushing their agendas in a similar fashion to North Korea's government towards its people. If ever there was a time for 'mysterious power x' to destroy the US they'll sure get a good chance in the coming years. Unfortunately, I'm sure it will get a lot worse before it gets better. It's sad that most people can't gauge themselves and believe they have the 'right' opinion.

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I also encourage you to not be civil with eachother.

Am I reading this right? lol
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Besides the Catholic and every other Church has no place in modern society. Faith is more then adherence to outdated concepts, my bi-sexuality does not lessen my faith in God nor make me any less worthy.


Hehe, my church (southern baptist) has massive tv screens and sound systems for all their choir/orchestra events and such, hard to think of it as anything but one of the most modern buildings of any city. Solid website, too.

I don't go every week, but the last time what was discussed was the river of God and whether we choose to walk alongside it, get our feet wet, or let the current carry us completely. The way he chose to explain it, we each have a personal relationship with God and choose how much control over our own lives & desires we're comfortable & happier giving up, which is not a choice others should make for us, and more is not always better.

Shouting at someone for their sexuality is definitely not something he'd have done. That control over our lives is not necessarily something we should give up.

I believe he was visiting from Florida. It's modern times, after all, travel is more convenient, so it makes sense to have a variety of speakers and get broader knowledge & different styles. Also just more things to socialize about, I guess.

One thing my grandparents said, though: The thing about going to church is you need to shop around for a good one, even churches from the same denomination are often run differently. Of course, around here the next church is just a couple blocks over, so I guess it's more possible to shop around.



Oh, uh, the future of America was the topic? Hydraulic fracturing is a thing that's possibly growing and getting cheaper. Continued arms sales and successful missile defense system tests is a thing that possibly grows that industry. Outrage culture is a thing that should probably be addressed. Dangerous drugs will probably need to be addressed. The treatment of citizenship as a commodity to be bartered away will probably be addressed in some form.

Barring sudden Marxist uprising and being marched into the Gulag with my wealth redistributed and squandered, I'm cautiously optimistic!
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To be honest, I think America is going to be fine. The next generation of kids are going to be red pilled as fuck and are going to be against the SJW authoritarian ideologies that are being pushed.


I hope that you're right..
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-looking sad- Reminded me of Roman Empire when I was there 2,000 years ago! If...If Roman Empire was never split, we would've been still exist today!... Actually it still exist in the shadow! I will bring Roman Empire back in the light!



lmao,wish you luck.


I'm role playing, I'm not saying I'll bring it in real life! =0 Lol

But if I'm on role playing game base on Highlander: The Search for Vengence.. Than I'll really bring Roman Empire back and Colin (Karkarov) wouldn't able to do anything about it! :p




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I actually agree with you. I think healthcare is going to be the saving grace for democrats. I also think your right about the direction of the party, as it's been incredibly out of touch with the average American, which is why Trump the populist could come in.

And that's the key, populism and nationalism. Right now we are in a time of populism; which isn't just an American thing but is strong in Britain, France and even Japan... And I think this mindset is key to the future. America will continue it's nationalistic idea, and continue to resist globalization. But what I think is going to happen is that it's going to really hurt our foreign trade relations, and thus may negatively effect our GDP. I'm basing this purely on speculation, but is a possibility I see coming.

However, if the democrats can change their entire strategy, they may be able to play with this mindset. Also as young people continue to enter the political arena, I have a feeling conservatism will move away from the nationalism that we have now to a more libertarian/globalist conservative view. Young people (myself included) are embracing libertarian/classical liberal positions much more than our older counter parts. I have a feeling with the republican party in as much disarray as it is, we may see conservatism change a bit.



While your statement on GDP is correct, it is an oversimplification. I've argued with my econ professor in my UGrad days that an increase in GDP doesn't mean all that much if most of economic benefit is not widely shared, and your Macro Econ101 textbooks tend to grossly oversimplify policies into good and bad ones. They see the economy on a good or bad as a whole scale and tend to neglect the effect on various groups of people. In terms of nationalism/resisting globalization, I feel like that is just part of our American mentality of being independent. Sure we might move towards a direction of more trade, but trade deals need to be constructed with things such as environmental protections, currency manipulation, equal access to markets, workers rights, etc to be fairer.

I'm from the political left (blue collar/working class wing Independent now), but I am finding it quite frustrating and near impossible to actually "support" the Democrats. They've definitely lost their message in the last few years, not saying I support the other side either feels like nobody is resonating with people from my background. I think most of the Democrats' problems come from the money they've been taking from corporations which has corrupted both their message and leadership. Conservatism is already changing, the Republican party's base is much more populist and at least has some pro-worker rhetoric, although the old dogs still control the parties platform and actual policies which have gone mostly unchanged.
I see a less interventionist Republican party and I quite welcome it. We are going bankrupt and far too many in Congress are to eager to use war as the first solution to far too many of the World's problems.
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While your statement on GDP is correct, it is an oversimplification. I've argued with my econ professor in my UGrad days that an increase in GDP doesn't mean all that much if most of economic benefit is not widely shared, and your Macro Econ101 textbooks tend to grossly oversimplify policies into good and bad ones. They see the economy on a good or bad as a whole scale and tend to neglect the effect on various groups of people. In terms of nationalism/resisting globalization, I feel like that is just part of our American mentality of being independent. Sure we might move towards a direction of more trade, but trade deals need to be constructed with things such as environmental protections, currency manipulation, equal access to markets, workers rights, etc to be fairer.

I'm from the political left (blue collar/working class wing Independent now), but I am finding it quite frustrating and near impossible to actually "support" the Democrats. They've definitely lost their message in the last few years, not saying I support the other side either feels like nobody is resonating with people from my background. I think most of the Democrats' problems come from the money they've been taking from corporations which has corrupted both their message and leadership. Conservatism is already changing, the Republican party's base is much more populist and at least has some pro-worker rhetoric, although the old dogs still control the parties platform and actual policies which have gone mostly unchanged.
I see a less interventionist Republican party and I quite welcome it. We are going bankrupt and far too many in Congress are to eager to use war as the first solution to far too many of the World's problems.


GDP per capita is definitely a better way of calculating the wealth of a nation. (China's GDP is very high, but per capita it's around $8,000. So although the nation on a whole is rich, citizens are poor) But GDP does demonstrate the economic prowess of a nation, and the power a country holds in the global market. Even though China's GDPPC is low, they undoubtedly have a huge hand in pretty much everything we produce. This makes China very valuable as an ally in terms of trade.

In terms of trade deals specifically, this may be something you and I disagree on, but I really just want free trade between people and companies internationally without intervention of government. However, you are right, that if we are going to have trade deals, they should accommodate for those factors... If we can't get other nations to agree on truly free trade, then we may as well have a trade deal which tries to protect as many things and people as possible.

Relating to the Democrats, I think one of the reasons Bernie got so popular was because he got back to some of the things people liked about the Democratic party, and he was consistent and (somewhat) honest. Unlike Hillary; I couldn't take her seriously knowing that her funding was coming from big corporations and banks. Everything she was saying about what she was going to do to them of then was a lie. You don't bite the hand that feeds you, and she was a prime example of corruption in the DNC.

And yes, conservatism and the republican party has already gone through changes, but I mean I think that the conservatism will change away from what it is now in the future. (10, 20 years)
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