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I don't think it's quite that simple, as there's probably a ton of other contributing factors involved that we have yet to understand. This is an interesting finding, and there probably is a relationship there, but it needs a greater supporting body of evidence behind it before people start using it to jump to all kinds of conclusions.
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Does the study claim that mental illness is linked homosexuality or that there is a causal relationship? I don't have time to read it at the time being but I'm curious.

I could see rates of mental illness being higher just purely on the emotional stress homosexuals go through as well as the chemical imbalance.
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The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...
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The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


I think it already has been answered. Even a psychologist who admit that homosexuality's multiples redefinition may have been more politicized than factual based when they were redefining it admits it is likely not a mental illness.

One of the reasons this rocks the boat is because the answer is perfectly able to be searched by Google and Google Scholar. You can go to Wikipedia and search up their list of sources, and merely asking the question vacillates between some biased denial or laziness, rather than outright naivete. This essentially boils down to "the earth is flat" threads.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/

The history is a bit complicated, but many of those redefinition were useless categorizations that still kept the essential treatments from before 1973. However, it should be noted that a rightful conclusion made on tenuous, false, or unrelated reasons is no less true or right, but calls into question the methods, the bias, and so forth.
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I don't know about that when I was studying the genome their was a lot we still a didn't know. As I'm sure you remember when you took your biology classes in college (of course for me that was a ways back). A lot of things that were facts when I was in school about how biology and human brain work are no longer facts. I also know facts change quickly.

I left that field of biology a while back and became an engineer but even in my field we look at materials now is completely different than 20 years ago. Matter of fact we just discovered a new body armor by just changing the way we look at materials nothing new but 25% stronger and 10% lighter. I push the limits now and don't except facts as they are.

Oh academia does not accept Wikipedia as a valid source....just to let you know if you try to publish using that as a source your peers would laugh you out of the profession. Also a psychologist would not cut it either. So don't accuse be of not understanding research methods or being lazy..

I like that you changed your picture...I'm not sure what it is from..
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I don't know about that when I was studying the genome their was a lot we still a didn't know. As I'm sure you remember when you took your biology classes in college (of course for me that was a ways back). A lot of things that were facts when I was in school about how biology and human brain work are no longer facts. I also know facts change quickly.

I left that field of biology a while back and became an engineer but even in my field we look at materials now is completely different than 20 years ago. Matter of fact we just discovered a new body armor by just changing the way we look at materials nothing new but 25% stronger and 10% lighter. I push the limits now and don't except facts as they are.

Oh academia does not accept Wikipedia as a valid source....just to let you know if you try to publish using that as a source your peers would laugh you out of the profession. Also a psychologist would not cut it either. So don't accuse be of not understanding research methods or being lazy..

I like that you changed your picture...I'm not sure what it is from..


I said you could look up the sources Wikipedia cites ("Search up their list of sources"), as well as my mention of Google Scholar and various other databases one could find at a local library or for free. However, it is important to search up the validity of said sources as well, and are often contained at the bottom similar to other a work citation list.

That being said, I tend to trust facts as they are presented,and then adjust said views as more roll in, but this of course applies to fields I am not as well vested in. It is silly to exclaim homosexuality is not a mental illness when the consensus of that specific scientific community points out otherwise. This does not advocate for blind trust, but nor does it go for denial. Trying to point out the possibility of something being wrong is moot when it applies to nearly everything; hence my consideration of "likely is not a mental illness". I am open to the possibility, I just do not see the reason to doubt when most in the field agree. Studies like the one mentioned in the opening are quite invaluable for greater insight, regardless of mob controversy.

You are not wrong. Facts are always changing, though I find it foolhardy to be the type to distrust everything on the possibility it is wrong, which ties into a sort of Clifford type of reasoning on the ethics of belief. It seems more paranoia than a perspective about "unknowable" truth.

And thanks, my avatar is from Gabriel Dropout. I think Gabriel was drunk, but not sure?
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The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


What would a study discussing whether something is a mental illness look like? More specifically, what question would said research be trying to answer?
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Shinosushi wrote:

The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


What would a study discussing whether something is a mental illness look like? More specifically, what question would said research be trying to answer?


Well the first step would be to see if gay people experience changes to their mood, thinking and behaviour. Of course you would also have to prove that that's a result of their orientation and not due to any other factors.
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sundin13 wrote:


Shinosushi wrote:

The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


What would a study discussing whether something is a mental illness look like? More specifically, what question would said research be trying to answer?


Well the first step would be to see if gay people experience changes to their mood, thinking and behaviour. Of course you would also have to prove that that's a result of their orientation and not due to any other factors.


But isn't homosexuality a "change" in thinking and behavior by definition? Being attracted to the same sex is technically a change. That is the problem I'm running into.
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octorockandroll wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Shinosushi wrote:

The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


What would a study discussing whether something is a mental illness look like? More specifically, what question would said research be trying to answer?


Well the first step would be to see if gay people experience changes to their mood, thinking and behaviour. Of course you would also have to prove that that's a result of their orientation and not due to any other factors.


But isn't homosexuality a "change" in thinking and behavior by definition? Being attracted to the same sex is technically a change. That is the problem I'm running into.


No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?
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octorockandroll wrote:

No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?

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octorockandroll wrote:

No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?



I dunno.

I just wanted a convenient excuse to rant about how people who put pineapple on their pizza are grotesque deviants.

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this is wonderful!
now we have a cure for gay and depression!
all we need now is the gene therapy!
medicine as we know it is now revolutionized!
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University of Queensland pride! (of course here it's a controversial study...)

Though, surely if childhood environments are in part explained by the parent's genes (as in some genes would be more likely to lead to an abusive environment), and people inherit their parent's genes, then those with depression and those who are homosexual share some genes (assuming, as this study says, that such parenting can lead to both). Or am I a bit off track here?

Either way, I think some are misinterpreting this study as simply 'homosexuality is a mental illness'. That is certainly not the case and is not at all mentioned in this study. There's nothing wrong with it.
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mxdan wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?



I'd say the thing that helps keep evolution going is normal and the thing that stops evolution is abnormal. If everyone is straight the species survives while if they are all gay the species dies.


octorockandroll wrote:


mxdan wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?


I just wanted a convenient excuse to rant about how people who put pineapple on their pizza are grotesque deviants.


I'd believe that.
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