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Posted 5/30/17

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No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?



According to google, normal is "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected."

So I suppose in that definition homosexuality is not "normal."
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The next study question might be - Is homosexuality a form of mental illness? Wow wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't be surprised with a lot of other mental illnesses that in the past we didn't know how to diagnose...Hmmm? Talk about shaking the tree or rocking the boat...Alright chew on that can't wait to see the replies...


What would a study discussing whether something is a mental illness look like? More specifically, what question would said research be trying to answer?


Well the first step would be to see if gay people experience changes to their mood, thinking and behaviour. Of course you would also have to prove that that's a result of their orientation and not due to any other factors.


But isn't homosexuality a "change" in thinking and behavior by definition? Being attracted to the same sex is technically a change. That is the problem I'm running into.


Homosexuality isn't really a change, unless you're speaking of relative to the norm of society. People aren't (at least I don't think they are, might be a good thing to research) automatically heterosexual prior to birth.

Though I do wonder if it's something that's affected by a combination of nature and nurture factors, or if it's limited to one of the two.
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mxdan wrote:


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No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?



I'd say the thing that helps keep evolution going is normal and the thing that stops evolution is abnormal. If everyone is straight the species survives while if they are all gay the species dies.


Please go back and retake high school biology.
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I'd say the thing that helps keep evolution going is normal and the thing that stops evolution is abnormal. If everyone is straight the species survives while if they are all gay the species dies


Erm, that's a really dumb thing to say, at least in the context of humans, maybe not so much in the context of animals.

A gay guy can stick his, erm, giggle stick into a lesbian woman's, erm, pink taco, and still produce offspring. Heck if the entire human species (or at least a vast majority of it) WAS gay I'm sure that there would be some sort of mating practice for producing kids and continuing the species.


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Gotta love the right wing nut jobs who fund studies that agree with their corrupted and wrong views. Now we're blaming genes and being raped as a kiddie for being non-heterosexual.

I got a newsflash my bi-sexuality was not caused by either.


It's not really such an extrme claim. I mean statistics show that people who were abused as a child often go on to do the same thing. As hard as it is to understand it's apparently quite common?
That of course has nothing to do with genes but if you were abused by the same gender it could be possible(to have the suggested effect).
Iam also sure that alot of lesbian women are not actually 100% gay. Iam sure some of them just had a bad experience with men and became afraid of men or digusted by men/hate men. Or may have been put in a situation where they were influnenced at a young age and had a same gender sexual encounter that effected/changed them.

Hard to say. i know one guy that was sexually abused by a man when he was young and i dont think he's at all gay. I knew another guy that it happened to also and it did seem to effect him.
I remember being weirded out by him. When we were kids he showed signs of hmm, hard to say, not being gay but wanting to see my dick and touch and stuff.. so i think that is an example right there of how it can be true.




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inb4 LETS CURE HOMOSEXUAL GENE BECAUSE IT HAS NEGATIVES ATTACHED TO IT.

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inb4 LETS CURE HOMOSEXUAL GENE BECAUSE IT HAS NEGATIVES ATTACHED TO IT.



"Before"?
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Nothing new already knew it was confirmed as mental illness.
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The genetic variants responsible for higher intelligence are often associated with a higher risk of autism. I guess by this logic people should be running around saying how bad high intelligence is because it's genetically associated with a higher risk of autism.

Topics like this really demonstrate how very little the public understands about genetics. Pick up a damn science journal instead of nitpicking what suits your predisposed ideas and politics--for the love of all that's holy--it makes one look like a blatant idiot.

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Rujikin wrote:


mxdan wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

No, it would have to change it in other ways than just that. Look at it this way: is liking pineapple on your pizza a mental illness? It puts you in a minority and yes, some more insensitive people may call you a repugnant deviant for it not to mention that liking such a thing is a change in thinking and behaviour. So are we gonna start calling that a mental illness?


Better yet how do you define normal... Majority rule?



I'd say the thing that helps keep evolution going is normal and the thing that stops evolution is abnormal. If everyone is straight the species survives while if they are all gay the species dies.



Idiot.

Also I like pineapple on Pizza.
Pineapple, black olives, and mushrooms.
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I'm just baffled that people still care deeply and wish to change what other, unrelated people do in bed with others. Just don't care what other people willingly do to each other. It's easy, I promise.
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Gotta love the right wing nut jobs who fund studies that agree with their corrupted and wrong views. Now we're blaming genes and being raped as a kiddie for being non-heterosexual.

I got a newsflash my bi-sexuality was not caused by either.


TFW ignoring science requires calling University of Queensland in Australia and Washington University School of Medicine "right wing nutjobs".

Maybe you didn't leave science.... science left you?
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I will simply point at Thomas Szasz, and observe that for a great many years, a tiny minority of distinguished psychiatrists and psychologists have suggested the reasonably radical notion that mental illness does not exist.

What we call mental illness is, simply put, a collection of behaviours and beliefs which some group of people has decided are bad and wrong and constitute a disease. And when we think those people are qualified to decide such a thing, we nod our heads and agree. But nobody takes a vote on whether polio and lymphoma are a disease or not, because that's absurd. Why do we let it happen with mental disorders?

There shouldn't be any list of "approved" behaviours and beliefs. That's kind of the entire point of the first amendment. If you're not infringing anyone else's rights, you should be able to do and think whatever you damn well please. Even if it's weird or offensive.
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I'm just baffled that people still care deeply and wish to change what other, unrelated people do in bed with others. Just don't care what other people willingly do to each other. It's easy, I promise.


As long as I'm paying taxes to support, educate, jail, medically treat the babies and or diseases/injuries that result then it's my business. Witness the gradual erosion of freedom and fundamental human rights that comes with creeping collectivism and government authority. Ain't it wonderful?
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I will simply point at Thomas Szasz, and observe that for a great many years, a tiny minority of distinguished psychiatrists and psychologists have suggested the reasonably radical notion that mental illness does not exist.

What we call mental illness is, simply put, a collection of behaviours and beliefs which some group of people has decided are bad and wrong and constitute a disease. And when we think those people are qualified to decide such a thing, we nod our heads and agree. But nobody takes a vote on whether polio and lymphoma are a disease or not, because that's absurd. Why do we let it happen with mental disorders?

There shouldn't be any list of "approved" behaviours and beliefs. That's kind of the entire point of the first amendment. If you're not infringing anyone else's rights, you should be able to do and think whatever you damn well please. Even if it's weird or offensive.


This is an interesting idea that I have watched being discussed occasionally. Some say that in an effort to help people human behavior and thought has been rigorously documented, categorized, and (key word) medicalized. I've read some therapists suggesting that same thing, and summarizing "These are not illnesses. These are human being with very human problems". I can appreciate the sentiment.
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