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Posted 5/31/17 , edited 5/31/17

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I love King's Avatar, and honestly, I think the chinese market is really trying to break through, not only with animation but also live action, into worldwide markets lately and the quality is improving because of that effort.

Meanwhile, anime has been on a swift decline as the same old crap gets churned out season after season (or perhaps the best stuff is once again not being licensed...Looking at you CR, funimation, amazon, and netflix... Still no legal hellgirl, ReCreators looks awesome and isn't licensed in the US, and quite frankly, i don't give a damned about the newest iteration of a teenage boy that's set to save the world with his super awesome powers against a cardboard cutout villian while surrounded by a harem of voluptious 12 year old girls... Speaking of which, why do 12 year olds have breasts that size and the bodies of 20 year olds??? Last year I could have sworn they were at least 15...)


While there are quite a few meh anime series, it kind of always been like that because of the sheer volume even during the economic recession. There are still good stuff like Rage of Bahamut (the 2nd season isn't as good but it's still very good) being churned out and I still like stuff like Saekano even if some people might not like those. Now if China even makes something like Bahamut then it's GAME OVER but I don't see it happening all that quickly if at all. Who knows- Maybe King's Avatar is a fluke but hopefully it isn't... At least I think there are going to be more seasons of that series coming out.

Look at the 3 seasons of Haikyuu, and I think you'd agree there's still plenty of good anime that's still being pumped out. This versus China where good donghua's even barely being made because of all the anime that's being made with Japanese staff. The Fate of Arad is just a blatant example... They just let two Japanese companies make an anime title out of it!

For the "average" donghua I'd say look at Fox Spirit Matchmaker (狐妖小红狼) that's getting a Japanese dub soon. I tried my hand at watching the first arc of 12 episodes... While the animation is passable enough for me to keep watching, the story and direction (as in what the director does) is totally meh... I'm not even interested enough to keep watching to find out what happens int the second arc.


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'well a lot of anime artist from Japan are moving to china because in Japan animators get paid way below the poverty rate, and work up to 3 days without rest or sleep.' at that it is predicted that Anime will be no more in 10 years do to the CEO's of such animation groups not paying their artist much, and hording the money for them selves, to the point that they are not even willing to finance new projects... making it imposable to get quality shows now.


I am not aware of that movement from Japan into China. Do you have some article links I could look at?

From my vantage point I only see Tencent as the big donghua kahuna leading the industry in China, while there are still a whole bunch of big anime studios in Japan like Production I.G., Kyoani, A-1 Pictures off the top of my head. Japan is still lightyears ahead.

I don't even count Haoliners anymore. They're borderline hopeless to me as far as advancing donghua is concerned unless they reverse their overseas development and bring most if not all of their creative work back into China.
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nanikore2 wrote:
As far as a piece of animation is concerned, other people on the 'net have already spent a lot of time explaining its appeal so I'll just let them do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBhGp0vBhA

Thanks for the link. I like how the reviewer broke down his analysis, including game knowledge as a strong point of King's Avatar. For long-time gamers, that resonates. It's refreshing to have the BS fluff stripped out and replaced by some intelligence. Sometimes anime sorely lacks that. Hope it's a trend that will continue, be it donghua or anime.
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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 6/28/17

nanikore2 wrote:

For the "average" donghua I'd say look at Fox Spirit Matchmaker (狐妖小红狼) that's getting a Japanese dub soon. I tried my hand at watching the first arc of 12 episodes... While the animation is passable enough for me to keep watching, the story and direction (as in what the director does) is totally meh... I'm not even interested enough to keep watching to find out what happens int the second arc.



That's too bad, since the 2nd arc, Wangquan Fugui (王权富贵篇) is significant better than the first one. I personally think the 3rd Arc Red Moon (月红篇) is best arc of the series so far both in terms of story and animation/cinematography. (i would not doubt if they have spent 2x their normal budget for that season) If 3rd Red Moon is a 10, then I would rate 1st arc Fire and Ice (土狗军娘篇/寒砂篇) a 5 (and first four episodes a 3), the second Arc an 8 (however, i would consider episode 21 to be the best in the series), the 4th arc (北山妖帝篇, which really is just mini arc frame inside the 3rd arc) a 7; the 5th arc, thousand faces (千颜篇), which saw the return of lighter comedy elements first, i would give it an 8 (though i consider it has the best past life story), the 6th arc southern kingdom (南国篇), also only in manhua, which only has manhua so far, I would give it a 9; the 7th arc Baye Huaizhu (霸业淮竹篇) would be either a 9.5 or a 10; but both would really depend on how the animation and direction goes for them.

If you know Chinese and not afraid of spoilers, check out this overview of first three arcs.

https://youtu.be/1dLTtCvp3Lg

and if you want a more serious overview

https://youtu.be/wfHvwX7Tvws

It really unfortunate that the series opened with their weakest arc and worst animed episode, supposably the first season is re-done for the Japanese release to bring it closer to the quality of later episodes, but i'm not optimistic. The problem with the first reason is embed in the Manhua and the story and set the foundation for the "present life" characters, so any significant changes will screw the later story arcs.
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nanikore2 wrote:

For the "average" donghua I'd say look at Fox Spirit Matchmaker (狐妖小红狼) that's getting a Japanese dub soon. I tried my hand at watching the first arc of 12 episodes... While the animation is passable enough for me to keep watching, the story and direction (as in what the director does) is totally meh... I'm not even interested enough to keep watching to find out what happens int the second arc.



That's too bad, since the 2nd arc, Wangquan Fugui (王权富贵篇) is significant better than the first one. I personally think the 3rd Arc Red Moon (月红篇) is best arc of the series so far both in terms of story and animation/cinematography. (i would not doubt if they have spent 2x their normal budget for that season) If 3rd Red Moon is a 10, then I would rate 1st arc Fire and Ice (土狗军娘篇/寒砂篇) a 5 (and first four episodes a 3), the second Arc an 8 (however, i would consider episode 21 to be the best in the series), the 4th arc (北山妖帝篇, which really is just mini arc frame inside the 3rd arc) a 7; the 5th arc, thousand faces (千颜篇), which saw the return of lighter comedy elements first, i would give it an 8 (though i consider it has the best past life story), the 6th arc southern kingdom (南国篇), also only in manhua, which only has manhua so far, I would give it a 9; the 7th arc Baye Huaizhu (霸业淮竹篇) would be either a 9.5 or a 10; but both would really depend on how the animation and direction goes for them.

If you know Chinese and not afraid of spoilers, check out this overview of first three arcs.

https://youtu.be/1dLTtCvp3Lg

and if you want a more serious overview

https://youtu.be/wfHvwX7Tvws

It really unfortunate that the series opened with their weakest arc and worst animed episode, supposably the first season is re-done for the Japanese release to bring it closer to the quality of later episodes, but i'm not optimistic. The problem with the first reason is embed in the Manhua and the story and set the foundation for the "present life" characters, so any significant changes will screw the later story arcs.


Yeah, the first season seriously turned me off. I honestly would rather watch other donghua at the moment.

I'm mostly counting on Tencent to produce better quality stuff now. Taking The Citizen's Husband Home (国民老公带回家) is really good melodrama in my opinion and the animation is very good, unfortunately it suffers from a really short episode length... I think it must be 5 minutes or less each episode if you discount the OP and ED songs! It took the series almost two seasons just to get to the point of explaining what exactly happened in the first moments of the first episode (one long series of flashbacks after that). Many donghua series suffer from this and I think it's probably the budget- Not every series could be full-blown the way King's Avatar is.

I'm totally looking forward to the 2nd season of King's Avatar. Can't wait.
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Posted 7/1/17 , edited 7/1/17
The reason for this is because all most all animation (except kids ones) are not releaseable on Chinese TV, so as online releases they essentially targets people watching them on their mobile during shot breaks rather a committed viewing session. Kings Avatar is different because it's a big IP and they know it will get committed audiences, so it is release via tencent video (which normally does dramas and movies) rather than recent animation , thus got full length episodes.

The short episode series do get combined releases at end of season, so you can finish the entire season in about 2 hours without breaks in between.
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