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I think the funniest thing is when Trump said it worried his kids. Not just/specifically Barron, the one who is kind of still young enough to be scared by weird shit like this, but all of them. Did they think it was real? I don't know.

I think it would have been better if she just used a pumpkin.
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I think the funniest thing is when Trump said it worried his kids. Not just/specifically Barron, the one who is kind of still young enough to be scared by weird shit like this, but all of them. Did they think it was real? I don't know.

I think it would have been better if she just used a pumpkin.


She could have used an obviously fake head but instead she went full ISIS with that head.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. This stoops right down to the level of racist assholes lynching an effigy of Obama. There's so many ways to criticize Trump and a variety of issues to talk about -- she chose this route. Nothing more than a publicity stunt by her meant to stay relevant and pander to leftists who will swallow anything that goes against the right but it went too far and ended up backfiring.
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Even the church of Satan is trying to stay away from Kathy.

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I find it kind of funny that people are giving Kathy Griffin so much focus. Do you (and others) all know that there were quite a few others that did the "beheaded Trump" before her?

GWAR has been showing beheaded Presidents for a while, and they did a battle royale (Source -- NSFW, fyi - even though it's on YouTube) between Clinton and Trump during the elections. GWAR even responded to her "schtick" (Source) and how livid they are that comedians keep trying to steal "metal acts/schticks".

Don't forget the Municipal Waste shirt, either:



At the end of the day, this is nothing new. Yes, she went too far but it feels like the Conservatives are oblivious to the fact that Kathy Griffin is notorious for stealing material and schticks, this is just yet another in a long line of stolen "shock" material. Maybe it's because I've seen this kind of material for pretty much every POTUS in my lifetime.
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btw the hanging of Obama is perfectly acceptable has he is a traitor to this country and its ideals.
Posted 6/3/17

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btw the hanging of Obama is perfectly acceptable has he is a traitor to this country and its ideals.


Some would argue the same for Trump, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, ... etc etc..
Obama was no different than any other POTUS in history; for better or for worse. There will be those who wish him dead and those who adore him. Same goes for those in their 80-90's that argue that FDR was a horrible/great POTUS for his actions.
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btw the hanging of Obama is perfectly acceptable has he is a traitor to this country and its ideals.


No, they're both wrong.Also,the ones with Obama most likely stemmed from racism, due to to the fact that he was being lynched.
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Supposed to feel sorry for one 11-year old



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Except many of those people were arrested and investigated. And received numerous death threats as well. Even people who just criticized Obama without hanging a dummy received death threats.

Posted 6/3/17

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Except many of those people were arrested and investigated. And received numerous death threats as well. Even people who just criticized Obama without hanging a dummy received death threats.



Again, something that happens with every presidency. Not sure why Trump is any different here. Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr... all had people who were investigated and/or charged due to their comments regarding the then-current POTUS. But the beheading thing? Not so much. I haven't seen Beefcake the Mighty (no matter the person behind the name) get arrested. Plus, most of those who had threatened Bush got off scot-free (he felt no need to press charges against them). Clinton? Well, he had a few death threats and attempts - one dude actually was imprisoned for 5 years because he was plotting to kill him while he was out jogging one morning (despite being on a state visit to Russia at the time).

At the end of the day, this is just kind of normal behavior from shock jocks/metalheads and Americans in general. The only difference is that there's more political discord and people feel more vindicated in their own beliefs or views (for whatever silly reason). The beheaded thing is pretty much par-for-the-course here, though. Hell, Game of Thrones accidentally used a Bush Jr head during one of the scenes where they were running around with heads on pikes.

Both sides have been doing this for far too long and neither side wants to admit that they're both wrong for allowing these kinds of things to progress.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Except many of those people were arrested and investigated. And received numerous death threats as well. Even people who just criticized Obama without hanging a dummy received death threats.



Again, something that happens with every presidency. Not sure why Trump is any different here. Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr... all had people who were investigated and/or charged due to their comments regarding the then-current POTUS. But the beheading thing? Not so much. I haven't seen Beefcake the Mighty (no matter the person behind the name) get arrested. Plus, most of those who had threatened Bush got off scot-free (he felt no need to press charges against them). Clinton? Well, he had a few death threats and attempts - one dude actually was imprisoned for 5 years because he was plotting to kill him while he was out jogging one morning (despite being on a state visit to Russia at the time).

At the end of the day, this is just kind of normal behavior from shock jocks/metalheads and Americans in general. The only difference is that there's more political discord and people feel more vindicated in their own beliefs or views (for whatever silly reason). The beheaded thing is pretty much par-for-the-course here, though. Hell, Game of Thrones accidentally used a Bush Jr head during one of the scenes where they were running around with heads on pikes.

Both sides have been doing this for far too long and neither side wants to admit that they're both wrong for allowing these kinds of things to progress.


We have also had a lot of beheadings from ISIS lately so people may be sore from that. I found it over the top using a super realistic Trump head when a mockup thats obviously fake would have done just as well.

Plus they freaked the fuck out of his 11 yr old boy.
Posted 6/3/17

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We have also had a lot of beheadings from ISIS lately so people may be sore from that. I found it over the top using a super realistic Trump head when a mockup thats obviously fake would have done just as well.

Plus they freaked the fuck out of his 11 yr old boy.


By no means do I think these kind of antics are justified or even reasonable (no matter how much one dislikes Trump (or any other POTUS) - it should never reach this level even just for "shock entertainment"). It's sort of like the Brujeria t-shirt that was (? .. I think they stopped selling it, my brother ordered one beforehand):



It can be rather realistic-looking in many circumstances, past and present. I understand that the ISIL beheading scenarios weren't really a factor before 2014 (other than a few outliers here or there that were reported to the public via media/news). The issue is that the liberals are basically giving the whole "WELL YOU DID THIS WITH OBAMA!" spiel, when they're ignoring their own hypocrisy. Conservatives on this matter try to play off like-minded Obama scenarios under the same umbrella. That's what bothers me about both perspectives here. It should be as simple as "what's wrong is wrong" versus "it's okay when we do it" or "it's okay because those people were investigated!" ... justifying any kind of behavior of this level is just kind of... I don't know. A bit of a stretch?

I've been listening to metal for a while and know all about how outrageous bands get (especially ones like GWAR, where it's mostly "shock entertainment" even at their concerts). I'm desensitized to most of the absurdity (like GG Allin, or the Murder Junkies where the drummer likes to have a drumstick shoved up his butt by a concert-goer). Even with that being said, I think the level of hatred required to do this from an "average citizen's perspective" (let's ignore Griffin and GWAR for a moment) is a bit concerning to me. Regardless of the POTUS or the party in question, one shouldn't feel required to resort to these kinds of tactics. GWAR/Griffin/etc are "shock entertainers" who give themselves too much credit at the end of the day.
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The problem here is this comes close to violating 18 U.S. Code § 871. Which means:


(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(b) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 19 and 20.


Since this form of "art" is a form of art that finds it funny of making threats against the president. Regardless if the president is a douche, you just don't make threats like this and respect the presidency (mind you I'm not talking about the actual president). It's no wonder this is a problem. Also comparing this to when SJW's get offended is an invalid statement, because this "form of art" is directed to the leader of the country and using the form of violence in a non explanatory way(meaning the piece of art didn't have any indication of explaining its message other than, 'Trump must die') .

I agree that any art form if it directly depicts violence to an actual real person by another real person is wrong and CAN constitute as a threat. I hold no sympathy for Kathy and any other individuals suffering the consequences of their actions. The police, FBI and secret service have every right to look into threats like this. Regardless of race or culture. Those people who made threats against Obama...well they deserved to be investigated and arrested too.

There is no form of hypocrisy here. It was pretty obvious she would get fired. And while her apology seemed like she didn't know how people would react to this, a video by one of her staff members was leaked that showed before uploaded, implying Kathy and her crew clearly knew what kind of reaction it was going invoke, but they didn't care. Now Kathy Griffin wants to sue Donald Trump for defaming her. Ptff...really? It's her own fault. Deal with your actions and take responsibility.
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I just read the definition for assault and aggravated assault? HMMM? Not sure not a lawyer but the action seems to fit the definition.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Assault+and+Battery

I wonder if my daughter showed up with a picture like this at school displaying her principle's head what would happen?

Or those students at Evergreen did this with the professors head what would happen?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/opinion/when-the-left-turns-on-its-own.html?_r=0

I know context matters.....but I'm happy that the left seems to be policing themselves up. Seems like the right is going to let it slide,,That being said haven't seen the latest on this yet?

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