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Pulling out of the Paris Agreement is more then just politics.
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I'm glad to see that this wasn't a one sided discussion
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Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


I don't think StevenCrowder a climate change skeptic who gets a lot of his facts completely wrong is the best guy to get your opinions from, on anything.
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I don't think StevenCrowder a climate change skeptic who gets a lot of his facts completely wrong is the best guy to get your opinions from, on anything.


Lol, nice opinion you got there. Judging off of your wrong statement though, you didn't watch this video or any of the other videos on climate change he's made. He continuously reiterates that it's not about denying climate change...

Also, back up your slanderous remarks when making a point. Bring up videos that he's made where he's wrong and provide legitimate proof as to why.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


100% correct.. like I said It would kill America.


Green energy is a field that's actually generating jobs
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/solar-wind-renewable-jobs/
http://www.energyfactcheck.org/jobs
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mxdan wrote:

Edit: All this to say, there were basically no real negatives to the Paris Accords except in terms of disrupting existing energy and industry infrastructure to ensure greener practices. Like all treaties, it's only as binding as the parties make it, but it's a good start. Given that the majority of the world is for it, it's a little unexpected for the U.S. to withdraw.


Problem is that Trump is not President of Earth; he is the President of the United States. He is not beholden to Angela Merkel.

There are no real pluses to the Paris Accords either. What effect will these 'cuts' have? None according to the UN (source: https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/6658e59c-1098-4820-8360-3d61a34985bf/cass-testimony.pdf ). If all countries meet their expected targets it will make no difference at all from the pre-Paris Accord situation. Mostly because there are very few actual cuts. Developing countries are estimated to account for 80% of all CO2 emissions over the next century and none of them will be cutting emissions. India, for example, will be more than tripling its emissions.

And you claim there are no negatives. But according to economists following these Accords will raise the cost of energy by at least 20% and cost about 400,000 jobs annually in the US over the next 2 decades.

So you have a treaty that benefits nobody but some liberal elites who get a warm tingly feeling from thinking they are helping but will cost 8 million American jobs and promises higher costs of living. Pulling out of the Paris Accords is the only sensible thing to do. It was a bad, useless treaty to begin with. The best thing to do would be to put the Accords out of our misery and start over.
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And you claim there are no negatives. But according to economists following these Accords will raise the cost of energy by at least 20% and cost about 400,000 jobs annually in the US over the next 2 decades.

So you have a treaty that benefits nobody but some liberal elites who get a warm tingly feeling from thinking they are helping but will cost 8 million American jobs and promises higher costs of living. Pulling out of the Paris Accords is the only sensible thing to do. It was a bad, useless treaty to begin with. The best thing to do would be to put the Accords out of our misery and start over.


Post sources please.

So tired of this 'liberal elite' subterfuge. It means nothing in an honest conversation because it has no evidence. As outlined green energy is a growing industry oil is a dieing one. These are the facts.
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alchemist27ish wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


100% correct.. like I said It would kill America.


Green energy is a field that's actually generating jobs
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/solar-wind-renewable-jobs/
http://www.energyfactcheck.org/jobs

Ya know we were never part of that agreement so our current green energy sector has nothing to do with this agreement. Our green energy sector has been booming and will keep booming as new technology comes out.
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Lemontitties wrote:


alchemist27ish wrote:


I don't think StevenCrowder a climate change skeptic who gets a lot of his facts completely wrong is the best guy to get your opinions from, on anything.


Lol, nice opinion you got there. Judging off of your wrong statement though, you didn't watch this video or any of the other videos on climate change he's made. He continuously reiterates that it's not about denying climate change...

Also, back up your slanderous remarks when making a point. Bring up videos that he's made where he's wrong and provide legitimate proof as to why.


I hate linking youtube videos cause it feels ech? but the people debunking him usually cite sources and call him out on his bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btyU4A5Wxh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEylCS6-hBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOZSMrwnYw&t=35s
Crowder is a big dumb idiot who is wrong constantly.
He's also one of those anti feminist islamaphobic types which are a can of worms i don't really want to open but he's still gross and leaves slime everywhere he goes.
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Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


So you trust some random guy's theoretical opinion on what might happen over countless studies that show what will happen if we don't tackle this issue.

Do you guys not think it odd that nearly the entire world agrees on something but the Republican party is caught on subterfuge and theoretical scenarios? Or is this just the 'liberal worlds' bias?


You mean like how by 2012/2015 we were suppose to have major flooding and most of Florida would be wiped off the map? Oh no wait... Our doom has been rescheduled for 20 years past the previous goal marker. In 20 years what they said 15 years will definitely come true, they have never been wrong before.
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I predict mass protests across the USA and his approval ratings will fall below Nixon's
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Rujikin wrote:


mxdan wrote:


Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


So you trust some random guy's theoretical opinion on what might happen over countless studies that show what will happen if we don't tackle this issue.

Do you guys not think it odd that nearly the entire world agrees on something but the Republican party is caught on subterfuge and theoretical scenarios? Or is this just the 'liberal worlds' bias?


You mean like how by 2012/2015 we were suppose to have major flooding and most of Florida would be wiped off the map? Oh no wait... Our doom has been rescheduled for 20 years past the previous goal marker. In 20 years what they said 15 years will definitely come true, they have never been wrong before.


can i get some sources on those claims?
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Rujikin wrote:


alchemist27ish wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Lemontitties wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c&t=308s

Like him, dislike him, this is pretty informal on why Trump is pulling out.


100% correct.. like I said It would kill America.


Green energy is a field that's actually generating jobs
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/solar-wind-renewable-jobs/
http://www.energyfactcheck.org/jobs

Ya know we were never part of that agreement so our current green energy sector has nothing to do with this agreement. Our green energy sector has been booming and will keep booming as new technology comes out.


http://www.businessinsider.com/paris-climate-agreement-trump-decision-2017-5
there's a part in there where it says it could create uncertainty of green energy and slow deployment of said jobs, these are opinions of a man but he's a professor of a school of management and has written a few books on business.
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I hate linking youtube videos cause it feels ech? but the people debunking him usually cite sources and call him out on his bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btyU4A5Wxh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEylCS6-hBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOZSMrwnYw&t=35s
Crowder is a big dumb idiot who is wrong constantly.
He's also one of those anti feminist islamaphobic types which are a can of worms i don't really want to open but he's still gross and leaves slime everywhere he goes.


First of all, these are VERY biased videos by some pretty extreme liberals.. I'm not going to watch videos that are heavily opinion based against him. Again, provide legitimate sources as to why he's wrong. Not just climate change mind you, but other ones. You did generalize after all. If you can't do that much, then our discussion is over I guess.
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Ravenstein wrote:

And you claim there are no negatives. But according to economists following these Accords will raise the cost of energy by at least 20% and cost about 400,000 jobs annually in the US over the next 2 decades.

So you have a treaty that benefits nobody but some liberal elites who get a warm tingly feeling from thinking they are helping but will cost 8 million American jobs and promises higher costs of living. Pulling out of the Paris Accords is the only sensible thing to do. It was a bad, useless treaty to begin with. The best thing to do would be to put the Accords out of our misery and start over.


Post sources please.

So tired of this 'liberal elite' subterfuge. It means nothing in an honest conversation because it has no evidence. As outlined green energy is a growing industry oil is a dieing one. These are the facts.


Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/gambling-the-world-economy-on-climate-1447719037 wherein WSJ lays out that the climtae agreement will cost the economy $1-2 trillion per year after 2035.

Heritage Foundation: http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/consequences-paris-protocol-devastating-economic-costs-essentially-zero wherein research is laid out for up to 2035. I will admit that I misread the 400,000 annual and instead it is 400,000 by 2035. Still, 400,000 lost jobs and the other economic losses are quite severe.

Obama's Own National Bureau of Economic Research: http://www.nber.org/papers/w22525 wherein the government suggests that with $135 billion a year they can meet these meaningless targets.

But I find it interesting you did not dispute the actual worthlessness of the Climate Accords, simply the economic impacts.
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I think the market will decide. People love more fuel efficient cars and if solar takes off and makes free energy even more viable, sure gas companies will fight it but fuck them.
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