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Of course. Why would we buy into the Russian conspiracy. Next thing you know people are going to be telling me bigfoot is running for office and nessy is going into space.


Yes, clearly the findings by US intelligence agencies to the contrary are a hoax made up to undermine Trump


Solid proof, besides "it sounds like something that would do", or gtfo.
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What people should be asking is, "Hilary Clinton walked into the woods, but did she really walk out? Sure this alleged 'Hilary Clinton' speaks and acts the way the real Hilary Clinton would by blaming everyone except herself for everything, but there is plenty of evidence that would allow a determined enough person to make a perfect, robotic duplicate of Hilary Clinton that would be indistinguishable from the real Hilary Clinton. How do we know this supposed 'Hilary Clinton' isn't an assassin sent back from the future to destabilize the Carter administration?"


I can't argue with you there. You've got a point.
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Did you miss the 'foreign' part of "overthrow foreign governments"? I don't see why you'd trust people who gave money and training to people who film themselves sawing a 12 year old's head off with an AK bayonet.



Even if you don't put any faith in the CIA acting in the interests of the country, you're suggesting the FBI and the NSA are in on fabricating some sort of hoax. Agencies that are so territorial with their jurisdictions that the thought of them colluding is laughable.


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Solid proof, besides "it sounds like something that would do", or gtfo.


Back in January.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russian-hack-report.html?_r=0
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Did you miss the 'foreign' part of "overthrow foreign governments"? I don't see why you'd trust people who gave money and training to people who film themselves sawing a 12 year old's head off with an AK bayonet.



Even if you don't put any faith in the CIA acting in the interests of the country, you're suggesting the FBI and the NSA are in on fabricating some sort of hoax. Agencies that are so territorial with their jurisdictions that the thought of them colluding is laughable.


Obama expands the NSA's ability to share data with other agencies

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-ability-to-share-data-with-other-agencie/

The National Security Agency is now able to share raw surveillance data with all 16 of the United States government's intelligence groups, including the Central Intelligence Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security and Drug Enforcement Administration. These agencies are able to submit requests for raw data pertaining to specific cases, and the NSA will approve or deny each request based on its legitimacy and whether granting access would put large amounts of private citizens' information at risk.
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Rujikin wrote:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/12/obama-expands-the-nsas-ability-to-share-data-with-other-agencie/

The National Security Agency is now able to share raw surveillance data with all 16 of the United States government's intelligence groups, including the Central Intelligence Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security and Drug Enforcement Administration. These agencies are able to submit requests for raw data pertaining to specific cases, and the NSA will approve or deny each request based on its legitimacy and whether granting access would put large amounts of private citizens' information at risk.


And if you think that means that the top intelligence agencies in the country are colluding to perpetuate a hoax against the president, they'd be capable of a helluvalot more danger to the country as a whole than "fake news."

*You'd have a semi-believable argument if it was "the Russians are feeding fake info", except that isn't the line RT has been feeding because of course Russia doesn't want to implicate itself.
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qwueri wrote:
Even if you don't put any faith in the CIA acting in the interests of the country, you're suggesting the FBI and the NSA are in on fabricating some sort of hoax. Agencies that are so territorial with their jurisdictions that the thought of them colluding is laughable.


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Solid proof, besides "it sounds like something that would do", or gtfo.


Back in January.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russian-hack-report.html?_r=0


Thats still not solid proof, thats speculation:







Oh look I'm Russian now :D



Still no proof that the Russians ever leaked it. Infact there is more pointing to these leaks being whistle blowers that are not connected to Russia. Theres more evidence pointing to Seth Rich leaking the DNC e-mails and then being murdered for it. Still no solid proof Russia was behind any of it.
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Still no proof that the Russians ever leaked it. Infact there is more pointing to these leaks being whistle blowers that are not connected to Russia. Theres more evidence pointing to Seth Rich leaking the DNC e-mails and then being murdered for it. Still no solid proof Russia was behind any of it.


When you're talking about a mostly digital trail, "high confidence" is about the best you're going to get, unless you're waiting for a phone recording of Putin saying "hack America." Yes, they have the proof; no, they're not going to declassify it just because you choose to ignore their assessments.
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Still no proof that the Russians ever leaked it. Infact there is more pointing to these leaks being whistle blowers that are not connected to Russia. Theres more evidence pointing to Seth Rich leaking the DNC e-mails and then being murdered for it. Still no solid proof Russia was behind any of it.


When you're talking about a mostly digital trail, "high confidence" is about the best you're going to get, unless you're waiting for a phone recording of Putin saying "hack America."


So how does the FBI know the Russians hacked the DNC? They never investigated the servers. How can they have high confidence in something they never investigated? Did Putin call them and brag about hacking the elections?
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So how does the FBI know the Russians hacked the DNC? They never investigated the servers. How can they have high confidence in something they never investigated? Did Putin call them and brag about hacking the elections?


Almost like they're not going to make classified information public, and you can either choose to believe their assessment and that of lawmakers who saw the classified information or you can continue to disbelieve what's inconvenient and cast doubt on the very people devoting their careers to keeping the country safe.
Posted 6/1/17 , edited 6/1/17

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and cast doubt on the very people devoting their careers to keeping the country safe.


You mean like the FBI? That encourages terrorists to commit attacks just so they can fill their arrest quota?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-hatched-some-crazy-terror-plots-2013-3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-knew-shooter-might-go-to-muhammad-drawing-contest/2015/05/07/2471deca-f4ea-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html

Not only did Comey's FBI know the terrorists that were going to attack the draw muhammed contest in Texas, they helped them plan it! They encouraged it.
And they weren't the ones that stopped it.
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all the hackers or unknown "Russians" did was allow us to read hillarys emails... and then we see how crooked she is exactly as everyone already thought.

if this is going to be labeled as tampering then I would thank them for it.
but its not like they logged into our computers and changed the score or something so don't go fucking pretending that's what it is.

at least be honest they actually did nothing.

they let us in on info that we should have had in the first place...
so that we could make an informed decision on the type of person we want in office.




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qwueri wrote:


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So how does the FBI know the Russians hacked the DNC? They never investigated the servers. How can they have high confidence in something they never investigated? Did Putin call them and brag about hacking the elections?


Almost like they're not going to make classified information public, and you can either choose to believe their assessment and that of lawmakers who saw the classified information or you can continue to disbelieve what's inconvenient and cast doubt on the very people devoting their careers to keeping the country safe.


What assessment? They didn't look at the DNC systems and said "yup, its the Russians". It's like you coming to me with a computer problem and I don't bother to look at it then just say "well it needs a format good luck".
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Trump was the better candidate. Hillary did nothing before nor after to change that opinion.
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You mean like the FBI? That encourages terrorists to commit attacks just so they can fill their arrest quota?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-hatched-some-crazy-terror-plots-2013-3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-knew-shooter-might-go-to-muhammad-drawing-contest/2015/05/07/2471deca-f4ea-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html

Not only did Comey's FBI know the terrorists that were going to attack the draw muhammed contest in Texas, they helped them plan it! They encouraged it.
And they weren't the ones that stopped it.


Those articles don't support your claim. From the Washington Post article:

FBI Director James B. Comey said Thursday his agents learned hours before the start of a cartoon contest and exhibit depicting the prophet Muhammad that one of the gunmen had expressed interest in going to the controversial event in Texas, but there was no indication he was planning an attack.



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What assessment? They didn't look at the DNC systems and said "yup, its the Russians". It's like you coming to me with a computer problem and I don't bother to look at it then just say "well it needs a format good luck".


The assessments you were so kind to post images of but apparently don't accept.
Posted 6/1/17 , edited 6/1/17

qwueri wrote:

Those articles don't support your claim. From the Washington Post article:

FBI Director James B. Comey said Thursday his agents learned hours before the start of a cartoon contest and exhibit depicting the prophet Muhammad that one of the gunmen had expressed interest in going to the controversial event in Texas, but there was no indication he was planning an attack.

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Did you miss this part?


FBI agents, under Comey, instructed one of the terrorists to 'tear up texas'
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