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Fourth wave...

Third was during the 80's/90's....


Sorta true. You could look at it that way with fourthwave being 2010's feminism. But that isn't formal.

Wikipedia, to quote:
"Third-wave feminism encompasses several diverse strains of feminist activity and study. Though exact boundaries are a subject of debate, it is generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present."

So third wave is feminism today, thus if someone says they disagree with third-wave feminism, it would encompass "fourth-wave."

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No, I'm quite sexist.
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"I believe we all have unlimited rights, I have the right to do anything I want and if you don't like it you have the right to kill me."

I think that sums it up
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kata89 wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:

Fourth wave...

Third was during the 80's/90's....


Sorta true. You could look at it that way with fourthwave being 2010's feminism. But that isn't formal.

Wikipedia, to quote:
"Third-wave feminism encompasses several diverse strains of feminist activity and study. Though exact boundaries are a subject of debate, it is generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present."

So third wave is feminism today, thus if someone says they disagree with third-wave feminism, it would encompass "fourth-wave."



There's debate.

I am a product of the 80's and 90's. The current feminism sorta is and isn't the same. The devil is kind of in the details.

Back then intersectionality was kind of a thing, as well as language, and so on. Issues hadn't really changed, but solutions and focus were different.

Language was sexist with its waitress and waiter, it's steward and stewardess, actor and actress bit. That's why it's server, flight attendant , and actor (no actress) now. The solutions were about erasing gender difference, rather than accentuating it.

Blue was for boys, pink was for girls, but everyone could enjoy green or yellow.

Sexual positivism was there, but it wasn't "being a slut is awesome". Contrasting the whining going on about the term "bossy", feminism tried to own the word "bitch", and did so in a way that was, somehow, oddly more empowering than whiny. They had Riot Grrls to look up to, and we had Shirley Manson from Garbage and Gwen Stephani from No Doubt and so on...(your mileage may vary, but the point was these were more assertive role models that took ownership of their actions and their actions rather than playing victim and talking about reasons why shit was fucked up. It was more like Chrissy Hynde (80's and 90's lead singer of The Pretenders) who recently said she was raped due to her own stupidity, TALKING SHIT IN FRONT OF ESSENTIALLY THE FUCKING HELLS ANGELS, rather than the "feminists" of today that wanted to rob her of the responsibility and thus the her autonomy in their rage to have her deny her own words).

I'm not going to deny that what feminism is today wasn't present back then, but it was more of a fringe portion of the movement.

So, yeah, there's confusion about it and it's a diverse group, but as others have pretty much said, it's not what it was, and not too many people like what it is.
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Feminism is an unnatural symptom of a civilization at the state of collapsing. Feminism only exists in nations full of beta-males. Any ideologies that are incompatible with the laws of nature are doomed to fail and will never work. In nature, the strong dominate over the week, that which is superior will slowly dominate over the inferior. That is just a scientific fact that has existed since the beginning of the universe. Without this life would never progress.

Feminism is actually nothing new, in fact it is over 1000 years old and many civilizations have been through this phase of liberalism and progressiveness right at the end of their civilization as well. For example the Abbasid Caliphate. All civilizations go through these phases.
1- They are an irrelevant city/town that is looked over by the current superpowers
2- Great leader/leaders are born
3- They are very wise and knowledgeable
4- They easily conquer many territories due to their intelligence
5- They overthrow the current superpower and become the new one
6- They get a golden age of technology and science which only helps them build stronger armies
7- They become the new global superpower and crush all their enemies until there is nobody left to fight
8- Due to having no enemies they enter an age of peace
9- Men get lazy and decadent, they grow up not knowing a thing of war and forget how to fight
10- Women start doing jobs men do
11- Corruption runs rampant throughout the empire
12- Meanwhile another civilization is rising, they are are step 2, and they goto war with this collapsing civilization
13- The men in this collapsing nation cannot fight, neither can an army of woman fend off this new rising nation
14- This new civilization conquers the old one and repeats the cycle

In the Abbasid Caliphate, in their capital of Baghdad, women pretty much did everything, women were judges, lawyers, army officers, royal guards, police, mayors, etc..., the men became very lazy and forgot how to fight, wars did happen, but it was very far away from their lands and were done by their vassals and mercenaries. Then the Mongolian horde came. They city was too weak to fight them off as the men never learned to be men and an army of women stands no chance against a real battle hardened army of alpha males. The mongols easily conquered Baghdad and slaughterer their inhabitants.

Today this is America, and the Mongolian army is Russia and China. In Russia and China you do not see crazy feminists, let alone feminism at all. Neither do you see them in Arabia, Africa, Latin America, etc... Why? Because these are nations where men are men, they know the rules of nature that the strong dominate over the weak. So when they see feminists, those crazy lesbians get a genuine lesson in natural law.
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serifsansserif wrote:

There's debate.

I am a product of the 80's and 90's. The current feminism sorta is and isn't the same. The devil is kind of in the details.

Back then intersectionality was kind of a thing, as well as language, and so on. Issues hadn't really changed, but solutions and focus were different.

Language was sexist with its waitress and waiter, it's steward and stewardess, actor and actress bit. That's why it's server, flight attendant , and actor (no actress) now. The solutions were about erasing gender difference, rather than accentuating it.

Blue was for boys, pink was for girls, but everyone could enjoy green or yellow.

I'm not going to deny that what feminism is today wasn't present back then, but it was more of a fringe portion of the movement.

So, yeah, there's confusion about it and it's a diverse group, but as others have pretty much said, it's not what it was, and not too many people like what it is.


When I went to Wikipedia to quote it, I then went to their fourth-wave article.

Really the jist I'm getting is actually that third and fourth wave don't actually differ much. Actually, very little about what they are about has changed. The biggest distinguishing factor is the social media aspect.

From the article, I would simplify it and say the biggest factors separating third and fourth are as follow:

1) Social media and it's role in feminist culture. Now, anyone can "call out" anyone at anytime. This has brought the "check your privilege" mindset.
2) Solidarity with other social justice movements. Not really with other movements like BLM, but mostly with LGBT issues, primarily transgender issues. Fat shaming is another movement fourth wave has intertwined with.
3) All the other very minuscule differences you could pick out. This encompasses a lot, but all being very minor details, I just consider them to be one factor separating fourth and third.

Really, the biggest difference is the way it's being presented. In the past, it was, as you said, done through bands. Now, it's done through youtube and tumblr.

But the thing is, for most people, the two are so similar that it doesn't matter. It's all just considered third wave. It was only till fourth wave that people begun to realize how annoying feminists were since it has infected social media.
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Ill iam saying is equal right and equal left ( think about it)
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kata89 wrote:
When I went to Wikipedia to quote it, I then went to their fourth-wave article.

Really the jist I'm getting is actually that third and fourth wave don't actually differ much. Actually, very little about what they are about has changed. The biggest distinguishing factor is the social media aspect.

From the article, I would simplify it and say the biggest factors separating third and fourth are as follow:

1) Social media and it's role in feminist culture. Now, anyone can "call out" anyone at anytime. This has brought the "check your privilege" mindset.
2) Solidarity with other social justice movements. Not really with other movements like BLM, but mostly with LGBT issues, primarily transgender issues. Fat shaming is another movement fourth wave has intertwined with.
3) All the other very minuscule differences you could pick out. This encompasses a lot, but all being very minor details, I just consider them to be one factor separating fourth and third.

Really, the biggest difference is the way it's being presented. In the past, it was, as you said, done through bands. Now, it's done through youtube and tumblr.

But the thing is, for most people, the two are so similar that it doesn't matter. It's all just considered third wave. It was only till fourth wave that people begun to realize how annoying feminists were since it has infected social media.


Fair enough....

Honestly, I think it would have stayed dead if it wasn't for anonymous attacking tumblr way back when and it backfiring and the press latching on to it. The press wanted a story for those sweet advertising dollars, and tumblr peoples got a voice.
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No. As a woman I believe that if women want to convince men that a woman can "do everything a man can do" we need to prove it. We need to prove it by actually achieving great things, not by whining about how unfair (Western) society is for women. Perhaps there are still vestiges of gender-based discrimination in today's society, but affirmative action policies in higher education and in workplaces more than make up for that. In other words, discrimination is no longer an excuse (in America and most advanced societies) for women to not reach their full potential.


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No. As a woman I believe that if women want to convince men that a woman can "do everything a man can do" we need to prove it. We need to prove it by actually achieving great things, not by whining about how unfair (Western) society is for women. Perhaps there are still vestiges of gender-based discrimination in today's society, but affirmative action policies in higher education and in workplaces more than make up for that. In other words, discrimination is no longer an excuse (in America and most advanced societies) for women to not reach their full potential.




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SchlomoShekelberg Feminism is an unnatural symptom of a civilization at the state of collapsing. Feminism only exists in nations full of beta-males. Any ideologies that are incompatible with the laws of nature are doomed to fail and will never work. In nature, the strong dominate over the week, that which is superior will slowly dominate over the inferior. That is just a scientific fact that has existed since the beginning of the universe. Without this life would never progress.


I agree with your point at the end with other nations. But How can feminism be prevalent with beta males, It has to be alphas? right. Because if they were beta males then how can feminism exist if the ones who are oppressing them are betas and not alphas? They should be able to over come the oppressed system. Talking about in relevance to today not from your piece. And some areas there are still feminism. Sweden women go on a march once a year cuz i think back in the early 1900's they went on strike at work to unify for better wages. my history is halfway facts the story is true but not all details

But Now reflecting on it this is a different feminism than the US cuz the Feminist sometimes go against each other because they don't share the same idea.....SMH
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Oh yeah and here's a little personal story. 10 years old going on 11 that summer my dad leaves my mom and my sister to go to another family. My dad was in the army and @ that time my mom was an Olive Garden waitress and she had drop college because now she obviously had to raise 2 kids by her self and we just got kicked out of military housing. for a month we jumped from hotels to hotels. Damn near homeless we had to start back up.

I don't know when it happened but during that summer my mom was contemplating about joining the Army.My dad told my mom that she couldn't do it. That fueled her to join and now she's been in for 11 going on 12 years and is a Staff Sergeant. Not once did my mom ever pull the women card during our early years of struggle starting back up again. She even got another job with the Army JOb and never EVer complained or pulled the women card. I know they're things she went through in the army because she is a women and never complained or whined about it to me. (And my mom been on 2 different tours one to both middle east countries) She let what my dad fuel her to be what she is now not cuz she's a woman and she wanted to prove the big bad man wrong.

My mom wanted the respect from my dad for him to look her in the eyes and say damn. I got you wrong you were able to do, what I said you couldn't do. I look up to my mom because she wants the respect as a human being not just because she was a women to prove a man wrong. Or a black woman tryna prove the white man wrong. I love my momma man. lol

But I have another Question this type of story, My dad mom and the same with my mom mom coming from Haiti They never complained about their hardships to their grandkids or her being a women blaze blaze mess. The little bit in life they had they enjoyed it and worked hard for it. Just be respectful hardworking passionate people and you'll be alright in this world Is what they taught me growing up. So I say that because all my roots that I know is African rooted I don't see too many black/african american women pulling the feminism card but more Caucasian/european women. Is is just a "White man " culture thing but now the women are fighting back now too?...
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No, I'm quite sexist.


Good to know.
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