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Posted 6/3/17 , edited 6/9/17
Don't worry, I shall educate you peeps who seem incapable of going outside personal thoughts. To put it in a simple sentence before we start, the dichotomy of alpha/beta is fallacious & scientifically inaccurate when used in correlation with human behaviors within and without of social groups.

The concept of the alpha male comes from the animal kingdom, and interest in the sorts of animal hierarchies led by alphas picked up greatly in the second half of the 20th century. The term barely existed in literature until 1960 — though in Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, first published in 1932, human beings were assigned, from fetushood on, to a caste ranging from alpha to epsilon — and since then has been on a mostly consistent upswing.

A solid chunk of that upswing comes from primatology research — researchers have long been fascinated by the complicated social structures of chimps, gorillas, and our other evolutionary cousins. The alpha chimp and the silverback gorilla, physically imposing as they often are (alpha chimps have been known to rip tree stumps out of the ground in terrifying displays of dominance), have come to symbolize in the public imagination a natural order that favors a single dominant male “winner.”

Even after discussion of alpha males was well established in various fields of animal behavior, though, the concept was rarely applied to humans. What changed that, at least in part, was the release of the Dutch primatologist Frans de Waal’s book Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes in 1982. “I don’t think the term alpha male was in use outside of primatology when I wrote Chimpanzee Politics,”

Then by 2000 it went from academic scholarships to the Public Domain when Al Gore was coined a beta male who needs to beat an alpha male in Times Magazine, as well as Neil Strauss producing a pick-up book that year heavily relying on the concepts of beta-alpha.

Once it hit the public domain, things like this started popping up - which has more disinformation than actual information.....considering none of you fucks seem to know anything outside your own little bubbles...so with that, scholars have worked to debunk and show the complexity of such a binary thought that has engulfed the public concern.

Perhaps one of the most fitting for a site like this is from Scott Barry Kaufman who is Scientific Director of The Imagination Institute and a researcher in the Positive Psychology Center at the University of Pennsylvania. He is co-author of Mating Intelligence Unleashed: The Role of the Mind in Sex, Dating, and Love and author of Ungifted: Intelligence Redefined. http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/07/07/the-myth-of-the-alpha-male/

More my speed, in Faye Flam's book The Score: The Science of the Male Sex Drive, Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky shares his contention with the alpha/beta myth in humans, stating that alpha males in other species operate differently than what is observed among humans. He notes that in dogs and wolves, for example, every member has a place in the hierarchy. And among baboons, he notes, the alpha male dominates over a group of subordinates who are equal in power to each other—until he is challenged and overthrown. In these species, the alphas exert more power. Humans are more complex, Sapolsky says. We belong to more than one social circle—a man who may be a custodian by day may be a superstar DJ by night. Flam also interviewed anthropologist Tim White, who said that alpha males likely ruled the common ape ancestor humans shared with chimps roughly 7 million years ago, but that they no longer exist among humans.

If you have even the smallest basic grasp of primatology and human behavior. It is quite laughable to perpetuate such a simplistic understanding.
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Can we just call them nu males then? Or cucks.

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Amyas_Leigh wrote:

Can we just call them nu males then? Or cucks.



Limbaugh calls them Casterati, so take that as you will.
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No and the guys who call themselves "alpha males" are usually douches....in reality Alpha and Beta males aren't a thing any more then Jesus Christ is real.


Ha. The overwhelming majority of historians agree Jesus was a real person. But, the majority of historians aren't holding a grudge that Dad & Mom made them go to religious ed classes on Wed night when Ren & Stimpy is on TV.


I don't mean Jesus Christ as a real person a mean as a HOLY FIGURE WITH DIVINE POWER.


Ha. OK. Well, that's a different discussion altogether
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karatecowboy wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

No and the guys who call themselves "alpha males" are usually douches....in reality Alpha and Beta males aren't a thing any more then Jesus Christ is real.


Ha. The overwhelming majority of historians agree Jesus was a real person. But, the majority of historians aren't holding a grudge that Dad & Mom made them go to religious ed classes on Wed night when Ren & Stimpy is on TV.


Do you post in SRK?

Yes, there is an epidemic of weak beta males.

A true alpha male does not mean they are always dominating people. They only dominate when necessary. A true alpha male is fearless and full of love. The negative opinion of others does not phase them. They are so sure of themselves that they don't need to prove anything to anyone. They will only prove something when it is appropriate or for fun.




What is srk? Do you think guys should do military service it something as a remedy?
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I've never met anyone that self described as an "alpha male" who was not also an asshole.


Shishiku wrote:
If you have even the smallest basic grasp of primatology and human behavior. It is quite laughable to perpetuate such a simplistic understanding.


Thank you, that was informative and well researched.

Unfortunately, it will probably be ignored because reading is for betas. -.-



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Oh no, people fell in it.
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It's the lack of war. In civilization there must be cycles of peace and war. Like 30 years of peace and 30 years of war. Enough so every generation gets to fight in a major serious war where they have a chance of losing to force them to man up and reach their limits. It also forces massive scientific advancements due to the fear of death. I don't mean like bullying small weak countries in Africa or the East that stand no chance. I mean something like World Wars or the American Civil War. Where two nations of equal strength fight.

This decadence of beta males has happened to every major empire, from the Romans, to the Caliphates, to the Germans, and now America. It's just a natural part of the death of a civilization. Think of it as natures way of destroying a civilization that has grown too powerful, like of like nerfing something in a game.
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SchlomoShekelberg wrote:
It's the lack of war. In civilization there must be cycles of peace and war. Like 30 years of peace and 30 years of war. Enough so every generation gets to fight in a major serious war where they have a chance of losing to force them to man up and reach their limits. It also forces massive scientific advancements due to the fear of death. I don't mean like bullying small weak countries in Africa or the East that stand no chance. I mean something like World Wars or the American Civil War. Where two nations of equal strength fight.


You seem to be confusing "manliness" with "PTSD". WW I was an utterly pointless loss of life and WW II was a horrifying glimpse into the depths humanity can sink. To suggest that either one was "good" for us as a species is both fucking absurd and pretty offensive. As a species we're not mentally built to endure the kind of stresses and horrors that large scale war brings.

"Nature" my ass.



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well im not sure about the whole alpha/beta male stuff. i would say their is a issue in regards to not letting boys be boys and girls be girls. and be such is treated badly in many cases.
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Asking this forum if there's an epidemic of weak effeminine males is like asking a Health at Every Size meetup if there's an epidemic of fatasses.

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Asking this forum if there's an epidemic of weak effeminine males is like asking a Health at Every Size meetup if there's an epidemic of fatasses.



The answer is obviously, and you are talking to them.

It doesn't take any amount of effort to look at posts on this or other internet forums, a stroll through a convention, or visiting anime facebook page comments to verify how pathetic and emasculated most nerd males are.
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Bastardization of pack dynamics... Wake me up when it's no longer popular.
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