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Posted 6/3/17 , edited 6/3/17

runec wrote:


I mean, the Manchester bomber's own mosque reported him to police.






http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40079948

Despite wide reports that Abedi was reported by Didsbury Mosque, the mosque confirmed to Panorama that he was not.


Here's a video of his Imam that everyone said 'reported him to police' fighting alongside terrorists in Libya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDZtIaz8uVI#action=share

https://www.ft.com/content/b2caf8ae-4223-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2

I agree with intelligence in europe being fucked. Everytime an attack happens they always, whether its in Germany, France or the UK, know exactly what doors to kick in and places to raid and end up arrested a dozen or more.
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You're mincing words, a travel ban from those places would have stopped most of the incidents we've dealt with in the last few decades from happening.

Repeatedly, these attacks worldwide, not just here in America, come from people who live in THOSE countries - and the president has the right to stop them from coming from them, if there's a reason - and I'd say there's a very big reason, that's all over every news network these days, even the fake ones like CNN. Only difference there is that they neglect to actually mention the nationality of the perpetrator because it would destroy their entire narrative to this point.


1. What, no I'm not.
2. But those people aren't refugees.
2.5. Actual people from those European countries aren't having the same issues that the right wing media seems to think they're having.
2.75. It's still unconstitutional.
2.875. The reason the Trump admin has lost the case in court so far is because they can provide literally no evidence that putting the ban in place would actually help Americans, meaning the only reason Trump could want the ban would be Islamophobia, meaning it's unconstitutional.


Those people are refugees, and it's proven in many ways, such as photos. I hope you don't mean to imply they're all doctored somehow to make Refugees look bad. Those photos all over the place, of women and children, that just LOOK like military aged men and boys? those must be fake, right? Bullshit. There's more than enough testimony - given on video, audio, to news networks, both that hide the information and provide it, that it's ridiculous to deny that it's happening, but also to online media websites like youtube and even moreso on the darkweb. No go zones don't exist? Tell that to the people can't traverse them in their own damn cities without being surrounded by mobs of MEN (not women and children, as most refugees allegedly are). This isn't just one social class we're talking about, not just the people who live separated from all of the violence - it's the working class people, and it's as if their opinions don't even matter to any of their governments - which is why people like Marine Le Pen were such a big deal preaching that on their campaigns in the first place. If it wasn't happening, it wouldn't have come THIS far within the political spectrum.

Drop the right wing / left wing thing, it doesn't do anyone on either side any favors and it doesn't excuse anything that's going on. If anything it undermines any of the good points either side may have by polarizing people and pressuring them to think a certain way using things like mob mentality. We've been warned by "conspiracy theorists" for years about what they planned to do and everyone made fun of it - and now it's happening and people realize the mistakes they've made, but either are too afraid to admit they were mistaken and desperately cling to the "not all" statements, or they simply DON'T CARE and would love to see their system's of governments and cultures toppled. There are plenty of those in America, and though I don't live in any European countries, I'm willing to bet there are thousands upon thousands of them there as well - they're called ingrates. They think they're oppressed, and they're blaming the wrong people, and siding with the ones who are working on that very oppression.

After having watched this unfold for more than a decade myself, I can't BELIEVE some of the arguments still being represented in defense of refugees and migrants. They might be in trouble back home, but that trouble not only follows them to their new home - very few actually assimilate and the fewer that do, the less chance they have of ever doing so, because the places they're trying to do so will reject them for fear of their lives.

Really, deny this is happening all you want, but it's BEEN happening since way before Trump, and Le Pen, and anyone else who is now defying the status quo.

And it is constitutional - the president has the right to deny ANYONE admission to the country he resides over when it concerns national security - the bottom line here is they are not residents - we are. The people that are, come first - and that's the government's job - not to create entire new social classes using people they've forcefully made to vacate their 3rd world hell-holes so they can lay down the iron fist and look justified in doing so.

There are pro's and con's to all of it - but in some cases, like completely open borders, the con's SO FAR OUTWEIGH the pro's there shouldn't even need to be discussion on it - just wait, the more news stories hit the mainstream about repeat murderers and rapists who got sent back home only to come back into the country the same way they entered the first time, the more people will realize just how badly they screwed up by not caring / or paying attention.

The best part is, people who oppose Trump make it sound like HE'S responsible for the plight everyone is facing, in every facet of American life - when he hasn't been in power long enough or been allowed enough to do anything. They take it a step further by supporting the people who HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL and got them into this situation they abhor so much - logic gymnastics the likes of which the world has probably never seen - at least not since our last nuclear war, lol. Border security decisions by the president of the united states ARE constitutional, no matter which words you tweak, it still doesn't fall under freedom of religion - there is no freedom of ideology, and that's the real problem facing the world right now.


qwueri wrote:

Seems like at this point pushing forward for the ban is purely to prove that he can rather than a practical need, considering how much the administration insisted it was a temporary measure while reviewing the immigration procedures. That review should be well on it's way to completion and there hasn't been an obvious breach of national security yet due to the courts blocking the ban.

I'm curious, should the lower courts' rulings be upheld, how much pissing and moaning about the Supreme court upending presidential sovereignty will occur. Double points if Gorsuch is among those upholding the lower courts.


Are you aware that these terrorist organizations like ISIS, based in some of those countries from the travel ban, are and have been actively plotting ways to attack the United States since before 9/11 (and before we bombed them, for that matter)?

He's not doing it just because he can, he's doing it because it was his campaign pledge, one of them, and due to SJW's we can't defend ourselves against our own self proclaimed enemies (radical Islamic sects, of which there are MANY that much of the news downplays as "moderate rebels" (who just happen to cut people's heads off) (and happen to hate America) and because it's the common sense course of action. When we know we're in the crosshairs, what kind of dumbasses would we be to ignore the obvious cover? I guess this kind - the kind America is full of.

It's not us claiming they want us dead, it's them - a LOT of them - such high percentages of believers of Islam that the entire rest of the world should be SHOCKED, if they were being told about it - and oft the only places they are, are "discredited" by someone reading off of a teleprompter at a major news network, simply through scoffing with zero actual supporting information.

Every single LEGAL immigrant I've spoken to here - loves America and oddly enough, loves the hell out of Trump - and I love them for it. The rest can go back where they came from, because we don't need people playing push and shove any more, only the ones we voted on.

I would also strongly advise people who speak about "Islamaphobia" to go read up about Islam. Read about the Quran, and the history of the religion and Muhammed. Please. I'm not saying we should hate Muslims by default, but there is NOTHING wrong with hating an ideology that wants us dead for not following it.
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If these are countries that have large amounts terrorists in the making i have no problem with them being banned
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VeggyZ wrote:
You're mincing words, a travel ban from those places would have stopped most of the incidents we've dealt with in the last few decades from happening.

Repeatedly, these attacks worldwide, not just here in America, come from people who live in THOSE countries - and the president has the right to stop them from coming from them, if there's a reason - and I'd say there's a very big reason, that's all over every news network these days, even the fake ones like CNN. Only difference there is that they neglect to actually mention the nationality of the perpetrator because it would destroy their entire narrative to this point.


1. What, no I'm not.
2. But those people aren't refugees.
2.5. Actual people from those European countries aren't having the same issues that the right wing media seems to think they're having.
2.75. It's still unconstitutional.
2.875. The reason the Trump admin has lost the case in court so far is because they can provide literally no evidence that putting the ban in place would actually help Americans, meaning the only reason Trump could want the ban would be Islamophobia, meaning it's unconstitutional.


Those people are refugees, and it's proven in many ways, such as photos. I hope you don't mean to imply they're all doctored somehow to make Refugees look bad. Those photos all over the place, of women and children, that just LOOK like military aged men and boys? those must be fake, right? Bullshit. There's more than enough testimony - given on video, audio, to news networks, both that hide the information and provide it, that it's ridiculous to deny that it's happening, but also to online media websites like youtube and even moreso on the darkweb. No go zones don't exist? Tell that to the people can't traverse them in their own damn cities without being surrounded by mobs of MEN (not women and children, as most refugees allegedly are). This isn't just one social class we're talking about, not just the people who live separated from all of the violence - it's the working class people, and it's as if their opinions don't even matter to any of their governments - which is why people like Marine Le Pen were such a big deal preaching that on their campaigns in the first place. If it wasn't happening, it wouldn't have come THIS far within the political spectrum.

Drop the right wing / left wing thing, it doesn't do anyone on either side any favors and it doesn't excuse anything that's going on. If anything it undermines any of the good points either side may have by polarizing people and pressuring them to think a certain way using things like mob mentality. We've been warned by "conspiracy theorists" for years about what they planned to do and everyone made fun of it - and now it's happening and people realize the mistakes they've made, but either are too afraid to admit they were mistaken and desperately cling to the "not all" statements, or they simply DON'T CARE and would love to see their system's of governments and cultures toppled. There are plenty of those in America, and though I don't live in any European countries, I'm willing to bet there are thousands upon thousands of them there as well - they're called ingrates. They think they're oppressed, and they're blaming the wrong people, and siding with the ones who are working on that very oppression.

After having watched this unfold for more than a decade myself, I can't BELIEVE some of the arguments still being represented in defense of refugees and migrants. They might be in trouble back home, but that trouble not only follows them to their new home - very few actually assimilate and the fewer that do, the less chance they have of ever doing so, because the places they're trying to do so will reject them for fear of their lives.

Really, deny this is happening all you want, but it's BEEN happening since way before Trump, and Le Pen, and anyone else who is now defying the status quo.

And it is constitutional - the president has the right to deny ANYONE admission to the country he resides over when it concerns national security - the bottom line here is they are not residents - we are. The people that are, come first - and that's the government's job - not to create entire new social classes using people they've forcefully made to vacate their 3rd world hell-holes so they can lay down the iron fist and look justified in doing so.

There are pro's and con's to all of it - but in some cases, like completely open borders, the con's SO FAR OUTWEIGH the pro's there shouldn't even need to be discussion on it - just wait, the more news stories hit the mainstream about repeat murderers and rapists who got sent back home only to come back into the country the same way they entered the first time, the more people will realize just how badly they screwed up by not caring / or paying attention.

The best part is, people who oppose Trump make it sound like HE'S responsible for the plight everyone is facing, in every facet of American life - when he hasn't been in power long enough or been allowed enough to do anything. They take it a step further by supporting the people who HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL and got them into this situation they abhor so much - logic gymnastics the likes of which the world has probably never seen - at least not since our last nuclear war, lol. Border security decisions by the president of the united states ARE constitutional, no matter which words you tweak, it still doesn't fall under freedom of religion - there is no freedom of ideology, and that's the real problem facing the world right now.


qwueri wrote:

Seems like at this point pushing forward for the ban is purely to prove that he can rather than a practical need, considering how much the administration insisted it was a temporary measure while reviewing the immigration procedures. That review should be well on it's way to completion and there hasn't been an obvious breach of national security yet due to the courts blocking the ban.

I'm curious, should the lower courts' rulings be upheld, how much pissing and moaning about the Supreme court upending presidential sovereignty will occur. Double points if Gorsuch is among those upholding the lower courts.


Are you aware that these terrorist organizations like ISIS, based in some of those countries from the travel ban, are and have been actively plotting ways to attack the United States since before 9/11 (and before we bombed them, for that matter)?

He's not doing it just because he can, he's doing it because it was his campaign pledge, one of them, and due to SJW's we can't defend ourselves against our own self proclaimed enemies (radical Islamic sects, of which there are MANY that much of the news downplays as "moderate rebels" (who just happen to cut people's heads off) (and happen to hate America) and because it's the common sense course of action. When we know we're in the crosshairs, what kind of dumbasses would we be to ignore the obvious cover? I guess this kind - the kind America is full of.

It's not us claiming they want us dead, it's them - a LOT of them - such high percentages of believers of Islam that the entire rest of the world should be SHOCKED, if they were being told about it - and oft the only places they are, are "discredited" by someone reading off of a teleprompter at a major news network, simply through scoffing with zero actual supporting information.

Every single LEGAL immigrant I've spoken to here - loves America and oddly enough, loves the hell out of Trump - and I love them for it. The rest can go back where they came from, because we don't need people playing push and shove any more, only the ones we voted on.

I would also strongly advise people who speak about "Islamaphobia" to go read up about Islam. Read about the Quran, and the history of the religion and Muhammed. Please. I'm not saying we should hate Muslims by default, but there is NOTHING wrong with hating an ideology that wants us dead for not following it.


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Sometimes I wonder how some of you are able to leave your houses during the day with that kind of paranoia.
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America sounded like they're becoming like Ancient Roman Empire! They prevented outsider from coming in, but of course the biggest threat wasn't from outside but inside!

Even if Trump ban the outsider from coming to America, he forgetting one thing that cause Roman Empire to fall.. That is internal conflict! Our own people!

Are America doom to repeat the history from Roman Empire that cause the split becoming East and West?


Are we heading for another Civil War?

I'm pretty sure Marcus Octavius will agree with me (from Highlander:The Search for Vengeance)

He knows its happening because he witness this during his beloved Roman Empire destruction!


That's probably the most meaningful Rome-related post I've seen you make, an unexpectedly apt comparison. Props for you.

As for the ban itself, it's been struck down by the courts every time Trump's tried to enact it, in no small part thanks to Trump's own campaign rhetoric. I don't see why that would/should change.


Because campaign rhetoric has nothing to do with laws? Oh, and because Federal law gives Trump the discretionary power to do this?
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Ryulightorb wrote:

He could of gotten in many other ways even with a travel ban if he was dedicated the ban wouldn't stop him.


Oh yes he could have illegally sneaked in, that's why we should have entire neighborhoods full of known radicalized migrants on MI5 watchlists from warzones and other hellholes.

I mean, never mind strengthening your borders and turning boat people away, they'll get in anyway!
Don't you Aussies have offshore detention centers for boat people? That would be a nice start for Europe.


Just gonna piggyback off you here to lol.
Seems like no matter where you're currently swayed on the political scene, people have a nonsensical distribution of things they want banned.

The Right, in this case:

Abortion kills babies? BAN IT
All the kids found a new drug? BAN IT
Muslims wanna fly in? BAN IT
Another mall shooting?... Look, if bad guys want guns, they're gonna get them; best just to make sure you have your own.
Posted 6/3/17 , edited 6/3/17

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Just gonna piggyback off you here to lol.
Seems like no matter where you're currently swayed on the political scene, people have a nonsensical distribution of things they want banned.

The Right, in this case:

Abortion kills babies? BAN IT
All the kids found a new drug? BAN IT
Muslims wanna fly in? BAN IT
Another mall shooting?... Look, if bad guys want guns, they're gonna get them; best just to make sure you have your own.


Guns are a constitutional right. Dope and abortion are not and the constitution does not give rights to non citizens who aren't even in the country.

Edit: There have also been plenty of unconstitutional gun laws passed to make people feel good

Posted 6/3/17

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Sometimes I wonder how some of you are able to leave your houses during the day with that kind of paranoia.


>>> Sometimes i wonder why you bury your head in the sand and ignore things?
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>>> Sometimes i wonder why you bury your head in the sand and ignore things?


I don't ignore things. But I also don't needlessly freak out.
Posted 6/3/17

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theunlocked wrote:


VeggyZ wrote:
You're mincing words, a travel ban from those places would have stopped most of the incidents we've dealt with in the last few decades from happening.

Repeatedly, these attacks worldwide, not just here in America, come from people who live in THOSE countries - and the president has the right to stop them from coming from them, if there's a reason - and I'd say there's a very big reason, that's all over every news network these days, even the fake ones like CNN. Only difference there is that they neglect to actually mention the nationality of the perpetrator because it would destroy their entire narrative to this point.


1. What, no I'm not.
2. But those people aren't refugees.
2.5. Actual people from those European countries aren't having the same issues that the right wing media seems to think they're having.
2.75. It's still unconstitutional.
2.875. The reason the Trump admin has lost the case in court so far is because they can provide literally no evidence that putting the ban in place would actually help Americans, meaning the only reason Trump could want the ban would be Islamophobia, meaning it's unconstitutional.


Those people are refugees, and it's proven in many ways, such as photos. I hope you don't mean to imply they're all doctored somehow to make Refugees look bad. Those photos all over the place, of women and children, that just LOOK like military aged men and boys? those must be fake, right? Bullshit. There's more than enough testimony - given on video, audio, to news networks, both that hide the information and provide it, that it's ridiculous to deny that it's happening, but also to online media websites like youtube and even moreso on the darkweb. No go zones don't exist? Tell that to the people can't traverse them in their own damn cities without being surrounded by mobs of MEN (not women and children, as most refugees allegedly are). This isn't just one social class we're talking about, not just the people who live separated from all of the violence - it's the working class people, and it's as if their opinions don't even matter to any of their governments - which is why people like Marine Le Pen were such a big deal preaching that on their campaigns in the first place. If it wasn't happening, it wouldn't have come THIS far within the political spectrum.

Drop the right wing / left wing thing, it doesn't do anyone on either side any favors and it doesn't excuse anything that's going on. If anything it undermines any of the good points either side may have by polarizing people and pressuring them to think a certain way using things like mob mentality. We've been warned by "conspiracy theorists" for years about what they planned to do and everyone made fun of it - and now it's happening and people realize the mistakes they've made, but either are too afraid to admit they were mistaken and desperately cling to the "not all" statements, or they simply DON'T CARE and would love to see their system's of governments and cultures toppled. There are plenty of those in America, and though I don't live in any European countries, I'm willing to bet there are thousands upon thousands of them there as well - they're called ingrates. They think they're oppressed, and they're blaming the wrong people, and siding with the ones who are working on that very oppression.

After having watched this unfold for more than a decade myself, I can't BELIEVE some of the arguments still being represented in defense of refugees and migrants. They might be in trouble back home, but that trouble not only follows them to their new home - very few actually assimilate and the fewer that do, the less chance they have of ever doing so, because the places they're trying to do so will reject them for fear of their lives.

Really, deny this is happening all you want, but it's BEEN happening since way before Trump, and Le Pen, and anyone else who is now defying the status quo.

And it is constitutional - the president has the right to deny ANYONE admission to the country he resides over when it concerns national security - the bottom line here is they are not residents - we are. The people that are, come first - and that's the government's job - not to create entire new social classes using people they've forcefully made to vacate their 3rd world hell-holes so they can lay down the iron fist and look justified in doing so.

There are pro's and con's to all of it - but in some cases, like completely open borders, the con's SO FAR OUTWEIGH the pro's there shouldn't even need to be discussion on it - just wait, the more news stories hit the mainstream about repeat murderers and rapists who got sent back home only to come back into the country the same way they entered the first time, the more people will realize just how badly they screwed up by not caring / or paying attention.

The best part is, people who oppose Trump make it sound like HE'S responsible for the plight everyone is facing, in every facet of American life - when he hasn't been in power long enough or been allowed enough to do anything. They take it a step further by supporting the people who HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL and got them into this situation they abhor so much - logic gymnastics the likes of which the world has probably never seen - at least not since our last nuclear war, lol. Border security decisions by the president of the united states ARE constitutional, no matter which words you tweak, it still doesn't fall under freedom of religion - there is no freedom of ideology, and that's the real problem facing the world right now.


qwueri wrote:

Seems like at this point pushing forward for the ban is purely to prove that he can rather than a practical need, considering how much the administration insisted it was a temporary measure while reviewing the immigration procedures. That review should be well on it's way to completion and there hasn't been an obvious breach of national security yet due to the courts blocking the ban.

I'm curious, should the lower courts' rulings be upheld, how much pissing and moaning about the Supreme court upending presidential sovereignty will occur. Double points if Gorsuch is among those upholding the lower courts.


Are you aware that these terrorist organizations like ISIS, based in some of those countries from the travel ban, are and have been actively plotting ways to attack the United States since before 9/11 (and before we bombed them, for that matter)?

He's not doing it just because he can, he's doing it because it was his campaign pledge, one of them, and due to SJW's we can't defend ourselves against our own self proclaimed enemies (radical Islamic sects, of which there are MANY that much of the news downplays as "moderate rebels" (who just happen to cut people's heads off) (and happen to hate America) and because it's the common sense course of action. When we know we're in the crosshairs, what kind of dumbasses would we be to ignore the obvious cover? I guess this kind - the kind America is full of.

It's not us claiming they want us dead, it's them - a LOT of them - such high percentages of believers of Islam that the entire rest of the world should be SHOCKED, if they were being told about it - and oft the only places they are, are "discredited" by someone reading off of a teleprompter at a major news network, simply through scoffing with zero actual supporting information.

Every single LEGAL immigrant I've spoken to here - loves America and oddly enough, loves the hell out of Trump - and I love them for it. The rest can go back where they came from, because we don't need people playing push and shove any more, only the ones we voted on.

I would also strongly advise people who speak about "Islamaphobia" to go read up about Islam. Read about the Quran, and the history of the religion and Muhammed. Please. I'm not saying we should hate Muslims by default, but there is NOTHING wrong with hating an ideology that wants us dead for not following it.


>> Well said, people need to wake up and stop bury there heads in the sand like it's all going to go away over night and taking preventative measures need to go in place.
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Just gonna piggyback off you here to lol.
Seems like no matter where you're currently swayed on the political scene, people have a nonsensical distribution of things they want banned.

The Right, in this case:

Abortion kills babies? BAN IT
All the kids found a new drug? BAN IT
Muslims wanna fly in? BAN IT
Another mall shooting?... Look, if bad guys want guns, they're gonna get them; best just to make sure you have your own.


Guns are a constitutional right. Dope and abortion are not and the constitution does not give rights to non citizens who aren't even in the country.

Edit: There have also been plenty of unconstitutional gun laws passed to make people feel good



Right, but I wasn't particularly talking about laws here, but core values (it's okay tho, I shouldn't expect people to read my mind). If people have this idea that "having X is bad", they'll easily justify banning. If, on the other hand, "having X isn't bad", pretty much the first justification to pop up is "a law won't stop people who want X".

For another example of a strange dissonance of core values, I remind everyone of the Shooting of John Crawford III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III
(Yes this is Wikipedia, no you are not allowed to be a butt about it, because there are 40 sources at the bottom of the page if you want them)

Core value: having actual combat guns to use against a corrupt government is a right that does not change by location
Consequence: Open Carry rifle marches through stores

Core value: a black man with a gun is dangerous
Consequence: lethal force is acceptable against black men with guns

When a black man dinked around a store with a toy gun for short while, these two core values clashed and the second won out, resulting in lethal force being used against John Crawford. The incident was, in my opinion, horrifying and hypocritical, but sadly not without precedent for such mixed scenarios.

With the ban, the fear-based core value that "Muslims are out to get us all" is winning out over a lot of empathetically based values like "people should be free to follow the 'American Dream'" and "there's no reason for innocent people to live in a war zone". Few people would actually deny that the later are important things (unless they're busy defending the former), but few also consider them as strongly as they consider the former. Fear can be a pretty potent motivator after all; a foreigner flying in from anywhere is more likely to face the thought "are they going to do something dangerous?" than "are they going to help?", even though the second seems more likely. As a result, fear-based values, especially core values, are the name of the game if you want to get people talking and moving.

As a bonus, here's a look at what's happening in a lot of brains while people read through this thread: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
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That guy was brandishing and pointing a pellet rifle (which is not a toy, they are used for hunting and can and have killed people) he removed from its packaging in the store without paying for it. Pretty stupid imo.
Not the same as some guy with a gun strapped to their body without pointing it at people

Plenty of black nationalist movements do open carry demonstrations without getting shot. Because they don't act like stupids and point them at people or brandish.




Also plenty more white people have been shot by police when they were legally carrying, or not.
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.... due to how the travel ban is setup it is illegal as it is targeting a specific group of people without any reason (other than people trying to create fear for the masses)

per one example, when he originally initiated the travel ban it also included people visiting that were even legal citizens (at least most people believed that was the case due to how badly open it was worded) - had a friend who had parents that had immigrated from iran and he was born here - he is a legal natural citizen - he was visiting his grandparents back in Iran, he was on his way back and got held up in Europe due to him coming from Iran

basically he got finally got back about a week later due to all the confusion, can he go can he not? and oddly enough could not go back to Iran due to his visa... could not go to US because he was coming from Iran who could not go to US....

I'm against the ban as its a ban to basically anyone as well as a target on a specific ethnicity.... we already have strict and due to how few islamic based attacks we have in the U.S. I would say we do a pretty decent job already filtering the bad eggs given even the size of our entire country.

pretty sure we had a president that the "Only thing we have to fear... is fear itself." so solution... admit you were wrong with what you did and say we meant... perform stricter screenings for people entering from these areas of the world right now...... unfortunately Trump will never admit to a mistake... I wasn't a fan of Bush Jr., Was let down by Obama and Dems on what they could have pushed when they had the ability to, and am depressed that the choice we had was another Clinton and basically a tv celebrity

and if anyone fights about me with misogynistic with clinton..... my issue - since i've been born there was bush, clinton, bush, obama, (and then another clinton was the idea??? its messed up that we are supposedly a democratic society and we have two families always at the head of the table... Don't understand why the head democrats thought that putting their choice and hedging their bets on her as first female president would be a good idea... the Clintons have been investigated for years... too long a laundry list to make it through the election even when going up against a professional Conman
Posted 6/3/17 , edited 6/3/17
Travel ban is not illegal.
Also pretty sure back when the fear itself quote was said we had internment camps for Japanese soon after
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