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Study find that Texas has the highest maternal Mortality rate in the developed world.
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uncletim wrote:

Well everything is bigger in Texas even the mortality rate


I'm normally not a fan of dark humor, but that was pretty good. *somber golf clap*
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When you treat women's healthcare as a taboo, things like this will happen.


This is a stretch and a half. Women's health care is all the rage everywhere in the USA. This, despite 80% of gender specific diseases being in men, a life expectancy 5-7 years shorter for men, and a much higher suicide rate among men. There are seven federal institutions devoted entirely to women's health and none devoted entirely to men's health. Saying that women's health care is taboo anywhere in the US is rather 'out there'.


Uh

Women's reproductive health certainly seems taboo in a lot of areas.

How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?

How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?

Where in the world are you getting your information? O_o
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uncletim wrote:

Well everything is bigger in Texas even the mortality rate


And the uninsured rate.
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How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?


Well, abortion is included in the maternal mortality rate. It is one of the few things that one could put together an actionable item for. The rest of the causes of maternal mortality don't have a solid basis for action beyond what is already taken.
Posted 6/5/17 , edited 6/5/17

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KennethKenstar wrote:

How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?


Well, abortion is included in the maternal mortality rate.


Where are you getting this? And by how much? Texas has the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. If we are talking about a 0.001 percent of a number, who cares?
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KennethKenstar wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

When you treat women's healthcare as a taboo, things like this will happen.


This is a stretch and a half. Women's health care is all the rage everywhere in the USA. This, despite 80% of gender specific diseases being in men, a life expectancy 5-7 years shorter for men, and a much higher suicide rate among men. There are seven federal institutions devoted entirely to women's health and none devoted entirely to men's health. Saying that women's health care is taboo anywhere in the US is rather 'out there'.


Uh

Women's reproductive health certainly seems taboo in a lot of areas.

How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?

How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?

Where in the world are you getting your information? O_o


Women's reproductive health certainly seems taboo in a lot of areas.


Murdering a scientifically recognized human being in the womb doesn't count as healthcare.

How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?

That's a lie/myth propogated by anti-equality activists. IIRC, Hobby Lobby offered insurance plans that covered 16 different types of contraceptives; they just didn't cover prenatal murder.


How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?


First of all, that could easily be remedied if PP stopped it's anti-equality human rights abuses by murdering scientifically recognized human beings. Second, there are a bajillion alternatives to PP regarding STD prevention, beginning with common sense factors like celibacy and chaste monogamy. Are people really so stupid that they don't understand they can even just talk to a GP or go online --education is the best way to prevent STDs.

Finally, we've got seven federal institutions committed solely to women's health. If PP fell off the face of the planet that would be one less drop in the swimming pool of health resources for women. They even have iPhone apps dedicated solely to educating women about their health. Saying "women's health" in any form is taboo is paranoia and ignorant in the extreme. Here, go to town: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/womens-health/basics/womens-health/hlv-20049411
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Less dope, diseases and cartel thugs for starters.


Stopping Mexican heroin trade does absolutely nothing for domestically obtained prescription abuse which is an almost four times bigger problem. And people who want heroin and can't find it, will switch to pills (which seem to kill more people)

Diseases? I guess so, but is this really a serious problem we are facing? What diseases?

I don't know. This always sounds dumb to me. Diseases spread regardless of the politics.

Cartel thugs? I mean I guess so, but this also seems blown out of proportion. I just looked it up, and it still seems like you have way more of a chance of dying in a car accident or drug overdose than being murdered by the cartel.

IDK, it's that...style of politics again - the one that panders to folks who desire an oversimplification of the world to grab ahold of for their own sake.
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How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?

That's a lie touted by anti-equality activists. IIRC, Hobby Lobby offered insurance plans that covered 16 different types of contraceptives; they just didn't cover prenatal murder.


LMAO come on dude, it's not a lie, they wouldn't cover IUDs nor would they cover Plan B. Why would you say this is a lie? Did you just not bother to look this up?

You are blindly accepting information that supports your views.




How about the Republican Party constantly trying to defund Planned Parenthood on the basis of "stopping abortions" and offering no alternatives for the loss of STD treatment and preventive care?


First of all, that could easily be remedied if PP stopped it's anti-equality human rights abuses by murdering scientifically recognized human beings.


You really, really want to make this an abortion conversation, but I'm not talking about abortion. Your original statement was

""""Saying that women's health care is taboo anywhere in the US is rather 'out there'.""""

And I have found contradictions to this.

You want to retreat into abortion land, the magical land of emotionally-based arguments, and get really, really lazy on the logical parts of this. Nope. Not having it.


Second, there are a bajillion alternatives to PP regarding STD prevention, beginning with common sense factors like celibacy and chaste monogamy. Are people really so stupid that they don't understand they can even just talk to a GP or go online --education is the best way to prevent STDs.


You are such an extremist that when someone questions your argument about women's health not being taboo, you actually and without any irony at all suggest ABSTINENCE instead of HEALTH CARE.

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Stopping Mexican heroin trade does absolutely nothing for domestically obtained prescription abuse which is an almost four times bigger problem. And people who want heroin and can't find it, will switch to pills (which seem to kill more people)


You have something mixed up here. Heroin trade is killing the fuck out of people, and its the federal crackdown on prescription opiates that has caused more addicts to switch to heroin (and shady 'darknet' pills I would imagine), which is killing them much faster.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/29/health/gupta-unintended-consequences/index.html

What diseases?

Everything from Dengue fever, chagas, malaria, west nile to zika and TB. There's more I'm sure.



you have way more of a chance of dying in a car accident or drug overdose than being murdered by the cartel.


I'm getting a lot of use out of this


Death from cartel violence in the USA should be 0. Remember that entire extended family that was executed in Ohio a while back and it turned out they had a large pot farm? Cartel influence baby.
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LMAO come on dude, it's not a lie, they wouldn't cover IUDs nor would they cover Plan B. Why would you say this is a lie? Did you just not bother to look this up?

You said: "How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?"

I pointed out that's false. Now you're moving the goalposts by making about IUD and Plan B -- a drug that kills a newly conceived human.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/

To quote USA today:

It doesn't affect:

• Most birth control pills

• Condoms

• Sponges

• Sterilization

It does affect:

• Plan B "morning-after pill"

• Ella "morning-after pill"

• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)





You really, really want to make this an abortion conversation, but I'm not talking about abortion.

Oh OK well I'll stay off the topic if you do too. That means classifying lethal drugs as health care.

And I have found contradictions to this.
What you've found is extreme edge cases.

You are such an extremist that when someone questions your argument about women's health not being taboo, you actually and without any irony at all suggest ABSTINENCE instead of HEALTH CARE.

Abstaining from risky activities is a fundamental part of health care. Weather it's smoking, extreme sports, recreational drugs, junk food, exposure to UV, or casual sex --have a conversation with a doctor or nurse ---abstaining from risky activities IS healthcare in that it's risk mitigation. Risk mitigation is a fundamental part of prevention, and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they say. That's not extreme, that's normal and wise. What's extreme is hypersexualization to the point that worries about STDs should be as common a concern as sun burn or the flu.

So far, you haven't provided any convincing evidence that there is any meaningful or widespread taboo around taking care of women's health in the USA or in Texas.
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Don't mess with Texas they have those hottie cheerleaders from Dallas!
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Death from cartel violence in the USA should be 0. Remember that entire extended family that was executed in Ohio a while back and it turned out they had a large pot farm? Cartel influence baby.


Death from any criminal violence should be 0
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Dude don't you know that Isengard Extremism can only survive in a climate of exclusivity and elf-supremacy?

ELF PRIVILEGE IS THE PROBLEM. SMASH THE ELDARSTOCRACY!
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karatecowboy wrote:

LMAO come on dude, it's not a lie, they wouldn't cover IUDs nor would they cover Plan B. Why would you say this is a lie? Did you just not bother to look this up?

You said: "How about businesses like Hobby Lobby trying to obtain an insurance provider who would refuse to pay for any type of birth control?"

I pointed out that's false. Now you're moving the goalposts by making about IUD and Plan B -- a drug that kills a newly conceived human.


Dog. The goalposts are not Hobby Lobby. The goal posts are women's reproductive health being taboo. You claimed this was not the case, but here you are getting into the technical details of which birth control is taboo to you and which one isn't. You proved my point, dude. You are bent out of shape over even the mention of Plan B and need to spread your belief on Plan B being absolutely equal to murder.


Abstaining from risky activities is a fundamental part of health care. Weather it's smoking, extreme sports, recreational drugs, junk food, exposure to UV, or casual sex --have a conversation with a doctor or nurse ---abstaining from risky activities IS healthcare in that it's risk mitigation. Risk mitigation is a fundamental part of prevention, and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as they say. That's not extreme, that's normal and wise. What's extreme is hypersexualization to the point that worries about STDs should be as common a concern as sun burn or the flu.


Your mentality is why AIDS got out of hand in the first place. People who were more concerned about the morals of sex rather than providing healthcare and treatment, literally killed people dude. It is the opposite of responsible. Abstinence is not healthcare. That is the language of partisan hacks, changing the definitions of words to fit their agenda. Ketchup isn't a vegetable and abstinence is not a replacement for fucking healthcare. It's fucking insane you'd say that with so much information at your fingertips. I can't believe I have to explain this. And you maintain that women's health isn't taboo, still? LOL, oh wow.

You have an unrealistic take on human sexuality and it doesn't matter if Texas has a 3rd world child mortality rate, as long as you get to "feel" moral and responsible doing nothing at all with your old, dated ideas, that's okay with you. It's not responsible and not moral, but it "feels" like it, so that's okay with you.


So far, you haven't provided any convincing evidence that there is any meaningful or widespread taboo around taking care of women's health in the USA or in Texas.


You don't see any convincing evidence because you are an extremist. I'm wasting my time.
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Where are you getting this? And by how much? Texas has the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. If we are talking about a 0.001 percent of a number, who cares?


This study evidently didn't list any reasons, but the maternal mortality rate would include anything related to pregnancy, so if it didn't include it then that would be a problem with it. Regardless of the amount, it would be the only actionable item, so it doesn't matter how much.

The answer to the rises in the Texas maternal mortality turn out to be much more nuanced than the article was trying to present it as. The article points out a "doubling" between 2010 and 2014 in an attempt to tie it to abortion legislation changes, but the rate had been rising fairly steadily since 2003. There were dips between years, but the trend was fairly steady between 2003 and 2014.
http://www.snopes.com/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-doubles-after-reproductive-health-restrictions/
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