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^^^lmao your recent profile pics make me laugh.

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And while we're at it, "climate change" is typically used to explain the larger changes on the climate beyond that of "temperatures are increasing". Nobody has ditched global warming. The fact is, temperatures have been increasing. Climate change is a way of addressing the fact that the problem is bigger than "global warming" makes it out to be, not an admission that anyone is wrong about increasing temperatures.


Source? Because I see it used a lot to refer specifically to CAGW --with the implication that if you're not sold then you're a climate heretic


https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/


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That's actually what makes this great. When have you seen a movement like this in the economy? Maybe the war effort to defeat Nazi Germany? Whatever the case I find it pretty endearing that some of our most successful tech companies (Places that deal with cutting edge things) think it important to foster long term sustainability in the world they inhabit when half of the Republican party is still dancing behind the notion that in their brilliant little heads this somehow hurts us economically.

The people that practically drive our economy don't agree with that :P.


TFW staying in the ice age equals fighting national socialists.


I don't see your point...?

Secondly, yes, staying in the ice age. We can't predict what the outcome in the biosphere would be if we allowed the polar caps to melt with certainty but we don't think it would be good and many things will die in the process.

It's actually the conservative thing to do.
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dulun18 wrote:

these tech giants care about climate change Apple ? instead of coming out with a new phone every year.. how about every 5-10 years ?

you need electric vehicle to fight against climate change? do you know how they make those batteries? electricity ?etc/

there are simpler changes that people can make without having force it down other people's throat

- drive less-- walk, using bicycle, motorcycle, carpool, bus, etc.. i work from home so i only need to refill my car every 4-5 weeks! and i either run or use a bicycle for places that are within 1-4 miles of my house.

- spend less -- do you really need new clothes, purse, shoes, etc..so often when the ones you have are still usable ? etc.. i'm still wearing the same t-shirts and shorts that i keep patching up every time there's a hole

-recycle-- recycle what you can recycle and start a compost pile in your backyard-- plant more trees (if space is available). etc..

- reduce food waste -- 40% of foods grow in the US are wasted before reaching the market and then people also throw away food that they couldn't finish on time.

etc.....

i'm sure there are other things you can do to help the planet..

it's always hilarious to see hypocrites going around claiming they are doing their parts in saving the planet while those same people are either online 24/7, using the latest phones, shoes, clothes, purses, etc. they consume and waste more than a typical person


consuming less and reduce waste[/b] will help more than putting up a face like you are some advocates of the public while in reality you are the worst offender

this is like those politicians who are advocates for children against child predators but turned out to be one of the worst child predators themselves

so why don't you do your part in helping the planet instead of pretending to be...

my faith in humanity is the same-- i'll just continue to do my part while both sides continue to yap on endlessly


That's actually what makes this great. When have you seen a movement like this in the economy? Maybe the war effort to defeat Nazi Germany? Whatever the case I find it pretty endearing that some of our most successful tech companies (Places that deal with cutting edge things) think it important to foster long term sustainability in the world they inhabit when half of the Republican party is still dancing behind the notion that in their brilliant little heads this somehow hurts us economically.

The people that practically drive our economy don't agree with that :P.

You haven't read the Paris accord at all. Also our tech companies just outsource their toxic manufacturing to China where they can avoid environmental regulations and China is except from the climate accords... So all your doing is shoving your carbon under the Chinese rug and patting yourselves on the back. While paying 100 BILLION to feel better about yourself so you can continue to do nothing to actually help the environment.


"As you know, China did not have to take any steps of compliance until 2030. India had no obligations until USD 2.5 trillion of aid was provided," Scott Pruitt, administrator of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) told reporters at a White House news conference.

The White House reaction comes a day after Trump announced his decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement on Climate Change and said the US would renegotiate.

"And Russia, when they set their targets, they ..

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/58972466.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


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mxdan wrote:


karatecowboy wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


And while we're at it, "climate change" is typically used to explain the larger changes on the climate beyond that of "temperatures are increasing". Nobody has ditched global warming. The fact is, temperatures have been increasing. Climate change is a way of addressing the fact that the problem is bigger than "global warming" makes it out to be, not an admission that anyone is wrong about increasing temperatures.


Source? Because I see it used a lot to refer specifically to CAGW --with the implication that if you're not sold then you're a climate heretic


https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/


pssshht, everyone knows NASA is full of idiots and non-believers
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Ummmm. Cool. I guess
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pssshht, everyone knows NASA is full of idiots and non-believers


I've worked with former NASA engineers. Helped them come up to speed with modern programming practices.
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karatecowboy wrote:

Source? Because I see it used a lot to refer specifically to CAGW --with the implication that if you're not sold then you're a climate heretic


Here is another source from NASA describing the difference between "climate change" and "global warming": https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change

"But temperature change itself isn't the most severe effect of changing climate. Changes to precipitation patterns and sea level are likely to have much greater human impact than the higher temperatures alone. For this reason, scientific research on climate change encompasses far more than surface temperature change. So "global climate change" is the more scientifically accurate term. Like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we've chosen to emphasize global climate change on this website, and not global warming."


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You haven't read the Paris accord at all. Also our tech companies just outsource their toxic manufacturing to China where they can avoid environmental regulations and China is except from the climate accords... So all your doing is shoving your carbon under the Chinese rug and patting yourselves on the back. While paying 100 BILLION to feel better about yourself so you can continue to do nothing to actually help the environment.



Nobody has any obligations within the Paris Accord. It is non-enforceable. That applies to China and literally every other country in the agreement including the United States.

So, what has China actually done? Well, they just stopped construction of 103 coal-fired plants and announced that they will be pouring $360billion into renewable energy by the end of the decade. Even over the last few years, China has been outpacing us in renewable energy spending, and that gap will continue to grow. And what of their future plans within the agreement?

"Based on analysis by some of the world’s leading energy institutes, China’s INDC represents a significant undertaking beyond business-as-usual and will help slow the rise in global greenhouse gas emissions. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), International Energy Agency (IEA), Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Tsinghua University, peaking carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 would reduce China’s emissions by at least 1.7 Gt or 14 percent from the most optimistic business-as-usual (BAU) scenario "

https://www.c2es.org/docUploads/chinas-contributions-paris-climate-agreement.pdf

While China doesn't have the most ambitious goals of all the countries in the agreement, it is blatantly false to think that they are doing nothing to improve the conditions of the earth.
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Are you kidding me? Giving billions to china won't change anything cause china gonna do what china wants. They don't care about the planet. As for global warming. Its gonna happen no mater how green we are. Happen before even dinosaurs were around. Deal with it!!
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karatecowboy wrote:


rawratl wrote:

pssshht, everyone knows NASA is full of idiots and non-believers


I've worked with former NASA engineers. Helped them come up to speed with modern programming practices.


ah so they are smart, just not as smart as the guy with a bachelors in biology.
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Are you kidding me? Giving billions to china won't change anything cause china gonna do what china wants. They don't care about the planet. As for global warming. Its gonna happen no mater how green we are. Happen before even dinosaurs were around. Deal with it!!


Ok, first of all, what evidence do you have that China won't honor the agreement?

Second of all, if you have a leak on your roof, and you know it's there. You don't let the thing bloody stay open until it rains the next time and 'deal with it'. You fix the leak. Your thought process perplexes me.
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^^^lmao your recent profile pics make me laugh.

Edit:damn it went to the 2nd page.


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mxdan wrote:


Kira0309 wrote:

Are you kidding me? Giving billions to china won't change anything cause china gonna do what china wants. They don't care about the planet. As for global warming. Its gonna happen no mater how green we are. Happen before even dinosaurs were around. Deal with it!!


Ok, first of all, what evidence do you have that China won't honor the agreement?

Second of all, if you have a leak on your roof, and you know it's there. You don't let the thing bloody stay open until it rains the next time and 'deal with it'. You fix the leak. You thought process perplexes me.


You can't stop global warming. Granted the whole smog situation in china is really bad health wise, but if we are just talking global warming that cant be stopped. The earth does it. It has warmed and cooled since way before we have been on this earth. They have ancient maps that they have dug up that are thousands of years old that show the polar ice caps. Feel free to look up if you don't believe me.
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ah so they are smart, just not as [s]smart[/s]experienced as the guy with [s]a bachelors in biology[/s] e-commerce programming experience.


FTFY. Well, the strikethrough tag isn't supported on this board, but you get the idea.

I was a Rails Ninja at the time. A lot of programming done at NASA is really niche stuff that goes heavily into algorithms. Or, it's very low level C and Fortran stuff. Not full stack, IoT, web, cross-platform type stuff.
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Nobody has any obligations within the Paris Accord. It is non-enforceable. That applies to China and literally every other country in the agreement including the United States.

So, what has China actually done? Well, they just stopped construction of 103 coal-fired plants and announced that they will be pouring $360billion into renewable energy by the end of the decade. Even over the last few years, China has been outpacing us in renewable energy spending, and that gap will continue to grow. And what of their future plans within the agreement?

"Based on analysis by some of the world’s leading energy institutes, China’s INDC represents a significant undertaking beyond business-as-usual and will help slow the rise in global greenhouse gas emissions. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), International Energy Agency (IEA), Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Tsinghua University, peaking carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 would reduce China’s emissions by at least 1.7 Gt or 14 percent from the most optimistic business-as-usual (BAU) scenario "

https://www.c2es.org/docUploads/chinas-contributions-paris-climate-agreement.pdf

While China doesn't have the most ambitious goals of all the countries in the agreement, it is blatantly false to think that they are doing nothing to improve the conditions of the earth.


80 Percent of China's Well Water Not Fit for Drinking, Data Show

https://www.voanews.com/a/pollution-well-water-drinking-bathing-china/3280154.html

Come back and say that when they have drinkable water.
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80 Percent of China's Well Water Not Fit for Drinking, Data Show

Come back and say that when they have drinkable water.


"The country's Ministry of Water Resources said 2016 would be a year in which China would promote a set of regulations to better manage water exploitation, China National Radio reported."

Even your own article talks about how China is looking towards improvement, and even still, all you are doing is demonstrating why it is so important to maintain the environmental standards that Trump seems to wish to discard.
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