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I cry wen people do stupid illogical things, this makes me sad. More stupid people jumping into something that would do more harm to America than good. Why so many Stupid people
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paris agreement does shit for climate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bNzLj5E_Q
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The way I see it, private entities can do what they want as far as the Paris agreement goes. Just as long as they aren't forcing the rest of us in on their mass hysteria.
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dhgshdgds wrote:

paris agreement does shit for climate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bNzLj5E_Q


And Prager "University" does shit for the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager

You might want to think twice about trusting a video that provides no sources, no third party confirmation, and an argument that doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny. Nice production values though!
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-climate-agreement-tech-giants-apple-amazon-google-cities-states/


Some of the biggest names in technology — from Apple to Amazon, Google, Lyft and Spotify — have jumped on board the growing movement of businesses and civic organizations committed to honoring the Paris Agreement on climate change, regardless of the U.S. government's lack of support. The announcement comes days after President Trump announced his decision to withdraw from the landmark deal signed by 195 nations.

"In the absence of leadership from Washington, states, cities, colleges and universities and businesses representing a sizeable percentage of the U.S. economy will pursue ambitious climate goals, working together to take forceful action and to ensure that the U.S. remains a global leader in reducing emissions," the coalition, which now consists of more than 1,000 cities, counties, states, universities and businesses, said in a statement released Monday.

Going by the name "We Are Still In," the coalition called itself "the broadest cross section of the American economy yet assembled in pursuit of climate action." It includes states like New York and California and more than a dozen Fortune 500 companies.

The effort is led by philanthropist and former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg.


Faith in humanity... Rising a little bit?

That can't be right.



Faith in humanity? No.

Faith that P.T. Barnum was right, absolutely.

This is just a different version of lottery winners blowing through their money.

The Accord is voluntary. Which means that China, India and all the other big polluters who have waivers, and need billions of our dollars...are going to be asking for more when time's up.

This is Accord has as much validity to clean up the planet as Rio promising it was going to clean up for the Olympics.

These CEOs are suckers.
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lawdog wrote:
These CEOs are suckers.


Please! Mercy!



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mxdan wrote:


lawdog wrote:
These CEOs are suckers.


Please! Mercy!





No he is right, those CEO's are suckers...

You have to be as dumb as a box of rocks to think that this program does anything other than push America in the dirt..

1. Goodbye to ‘American Last.’ The Paris agreement was basically an attempt to halt climate change on the honor system. Its only legal requirements were for signatories to announce goals and report progress, with no international enforcement mechanism. As a result, it was likely that the United States and wealthy European nations would have adopted and implemented severe climate change rules while many of the world’s governments would avoid doing anything that would slow their own economies. The agreement basically made the U.S. economy and Europe’s strongest economies sacrificial lambs to the cause of climate change.

2. Industrial Carnage. The regulations necessary to implement the Paris agreement would have cost the U.S. industrial sector 1.1 million jobs, according to a study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. These job losses would center in cement, iron and steel, and petroleum refining. Industrial output would decline sharply.

3. Hollowing Out Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The industrial carnage would have been concentrated on four states, according to the Chamber of Commerce study. Michigan’s GDP would shrink by 0.8 percent and employment would contract by 74,000 jobs. Missouri’s GDP would shrink by 1 percent. Ohio’s GDP would contract 1.2 percent. Pennsylvania’s GDP would decline by 1.8 percent and the state would lose 140,000 jobs.

4. Smashing Small Businesses, Helping Big Business. Big businesses in America strongly backed the Paris climate deal. In fact, the backers of the climate deal reads like a “who’s who” of big American businesses: Apple, General Electric, Intel, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, General Mills, Walmart, DuPont, Unilever, and Johnson & Johnson. These business giants can more easily cope with costly regulations than their smaller competitors and many would, in fact, find business opportunities from the changes required. But smaller businesses and traditional start-ups would likely be hurt by the increased costs of compliance and rising energy costs.
Making America Poorer Again. A Heritage Foundation study found that the Paris agreement would have increased the electricity costs of an American family of four by between 13 percent and 20 percent annually. It forecast a loss of income of $20,000 by 2035. In other words, American families would be paying more while making less.

5. Much Poorer. The overall effect of the agreement would have been to reduce U.S. GDP by over $2.5 trillion and eliminate 400,000 jobs by 2035, according to Heritage’s study. This would exacerbate problems with government funding and deficits, make Social Security solvency more challenging, and increase reliance on government’s spending to support households.



In the end It's just a way for foreign economies to pull ahead of the United States. The fact is that China contributes far more pollution to Earth's environment than the United States does, and they simply aren't going to honor the agreement.

Most western countries have outsourced most of their dirty industry. Our cars burn lead-free fuel and have fuel filters. What industry we do have, uses smoke filters. We use less coal and more hydroelectric and nuclear power than anyone else. The United States and the EU don't need to cut down on their pollutants. Other countries do. Make the ones who pollute more pay more!

Like so many other things, the Paris agreement isn't about what it claims to be. It's about the globalists trying to "even the playing field" by thrashing western economies and accelerating growth in third world economies.
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I love when science illiterates try to lecture everyone on how science works.
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I love when science illiterates try to lecture everyone on how science works.



You talking to me?

I have a Masters in Metallurgy, and Bachelor's in Bioengineering. Telling me I am a science illiterate because I don't agree with you, is like telling Bruce Lee he incompetent in martial arts because he does not agree with your style or techniques.
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No he is right, those CEO's are suckers...

You have to be as dumb as a box of rocks to think that this program does anything other than push America in the dirt..

1. Goodbye to ‘American Last.’ The Paris agreement was basically an attempt to halt climate change on the honor system. Its only legal requirements were for signatories to announce goals and report progress, with no international enforcement mechanism. As a result, it was likely that the United States and wealthy European nations would have adopted and implemented severe climate change rules while many of the world’s governments would avoid doing anything that would slow their own economies. The agreement basically made the U.S. economy and Europe’s strongest economies sacrificial lambs to the cause of climate change.

2. Industrial Carnage. The regulations necessary to implement the Paris agreement would have cost the U.S. industrial sector 1.1 million jobs, according to a study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. These job losses would center in cement, iron and steel, and petroleum refining. Industrial output would decline sharply.

3. Hollowing Out Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The industrial carnage would have been concentrated on four states, according to the Chamber of Commerce study. Michigan’s GDP would shrink by 0.8 percent and employment would contract by 74,000 jobs. Missouri’s GDP would shrink by 1 percent. Ohio’s GDP would contract 1.2 percent. Pennsylvania’s GDP would decline by 1.8 percent and the state would lose 140,000 jobs.

4. Smashing Small Businesses, Helping Big Business. Big businesses in America strongly backed the Paris climate deal. In fact, the backers of the climate deal reads like a “who’s who” of big American businesses: Apple, General Electric, Intel, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, General Mills, Walmart, DuPont, Unilever, and Johnson & Johnson. These business giants can more easily cope with costly regulations than their smaller competitors and many would, in fact, find business opportunities from the changes required. But smaller businesses and traditional start-ups would likely be hurt by the increased costs of compliance and rising energy costs.
Making America Poorer Again. A Heritage Foundation study found that the Paris agreement would have increased the electricity costs of an American family of four by between 13 percent and 20 percent annually. It forecast a loss of income of $20,000 by 2035. In other words, American families would be paying more while making less.

5. Much Poorer. The overall effect of the agreement would have been to reduce U.S. GDP by over $2.5 trillion and eliminate 400,000 jobs by 2035, according to Heritage’s study. This would exacerbate problems with government funding and deficits, make Social Security solvency more challenging, and increase reliance on government’s spending to support households.



In the end It's just a way for foreign economies to pull ahead of the United States. The fact is that China contributes far more pollution to Earth's environment than the United States does, and they simply aren't going to honor the agreement.

Most western countries have outsourced most of their dirty industry. Our cars burn lead-free fuel and have fuel filters. What industry we do have, uses smoke filters. We use less coal and more hydroelectric and nuclear power than anyone else. The United States and the EU don't need to cut down on their pollutants. Other countries do. Make the ones who pollute more pay more!

Like so many other things, the Paris agreement isn't about what it claims to be. It's about the globalists trying to "even the playing field" by thrashing western economies and accelerating growth in third world economies.


Do you really think that the most successful TECH companies in the U.S. would do something that would run us economically to the ground? Simultaneously? Do you really think they don't hire high quality economists to advise their decisions? Most of what you just said is unfounded and just plain wrong. It comes from conservative think tank websites and lobbyist minority economists who aren't taken seriously.

It also doesn't account for the economic GROWTH that will be fostered in the process that would offset the cost of change. What you have is dishonest theories that aren't grounded in reality.
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States rights baby, its a beautiful thing.
If they want to let a bunch of European socialists take their taxdollars, fine by me.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

I love when science illiterates try to lecture everyone on how science works.



You talking to me?

I have a Masters in Metallurgy, and Bachelor's in Bioengineering. Telling me I am a science illiterate because I don't agree with you, is like telling Bruce Lee he incompetent in martial arts because he does not agree with your style or techniques.


No offense but you've changed those degrees about 10 different times on these forums. Also, your grand scientific post above is a straight copy paste from Breitbart opinion piece. Clearly the best place to get all of your scientific intel.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


geauxtigers1989 wrote:

I love when science illiterates try to lecture everyone on how science works.



You talking to me?

I have a Masters in Metallurgy, and Bachelor's in Bioengineering. Telling me I am a science illiterate because I don't agree with you, is like telling Bruce Lee he incompetent in martial arts because he does not agree with your style or techniques.


LOL.

Now that's funny.
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Sooo...are they also going to pick up that $200 billion plus us contribution the us was required to pay?
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Last I checked Federal Government > City Hall.
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Soo california and philly, i'm still waiting for your pledge to live up to the full Paris accord and cough up that $200+ billion out of your state/city coffers as that is what europe really wanted.
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