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Eventually we will outgrow the planet and need to be able to travel space to survive as a species



We have literally zero evidence that we as a species can survive on any other planet. Or, indeed, that any species can survive on any other planet. And even if we found an absolutely perfect planet somewhere out there that we could survive on just fine, it would be cheaper and easier to just stay here well into the half-trillion population range.
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cdarklock wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

Eventually we will outgrow the planet and need to be able to travel space to survive as a species



We have literally zero evidence that we as a species can survive on any other planet. Or, indeed, that any species can survive on any other planet. And even if we found an absolutely perfect planet somewhere out there that we could survive on just fine, it would be cheaper and easier to just stay here well into the half-trillion population range.


Yes but we need to hope and it would but we will easily pass that as we keep exponentially growing and the earth will break down we will run out of natural resources.
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Ryulightorb wrote:
we will easily pass that as we keep exponentially growing


Except we don't. The birth rate is going down, and has been for over fifty years. The Malthusian doomsday is no longer considered a credible hypothesis.



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I need someone to convince me that time traveling is worth it.

Past:
So you time travel back to the past, but when you change something in the past, you create a new time line. If you are going back to fix something, there is always an original time line where things didn't work out because of infinite time lines. And of course, fixing every possible mistakes to achieve the best route for yourself seems a bit pointless since you are only branching off to the world line of your choice.

Future:
You arrive at the maximum possible future, you gain all technology ever existed, you become a supreme being that all could achieve once a time machine is built. Sure but there must be something more to it?


So I am wondering if there is a point to time travel


Under the "multiverse" method the only benefit to going back would be a short jump to win a bet or some other immediate gain and then live at normal time speed in the new universe, that will be almost identical to your own, and enjoy the rewards.

As for only being able to go to a maximum end point forwards, that would be near the end of a livable universe so that's a dumb idea. If you could go a few decades forwards, grab some tech and new science and then come back and benefit from being the "originator" of the tech or scientific advance that would be worth it to some extent on a personal level.
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Time travel in general is a terrible idea.

Any hypothetical society that has time travel technology runs the risk of having its past altered to unknown effect. If somebody went back in time and prevented WW2 somehow, millions of people currently alive would probably vanish since the chain of historical circumstances that lead to their grandparents meeting and procreating would be disrupted.
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cdarklock wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:
we will easily pass that as we keep exponentially growing


Except we don't. The birth rate is going down, and has been for over fifty years. The Malthusian doomsday is no longer considered a credible hypothesis.





Right now yes but eventually it may very well rise again.

We still need a way of preparing new natural resources and things we don't have on earth unless you want to wait till asteroids crash.
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I asked myself that question. He said he wanted to warn me not to do some certain stuff or it would be disastrous. So I decided not to but then I disappeared and was left with just myself. I think it might have been a hallucination.

On a side note, we are all travelling in time. Just forward, at a semi-fixed rate. If you want to go slower then go stand by the Great Pyramid.
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Wouldn't it be neat to watch your childhood life? Of course in every movies/series they say anything we touch it can damage the timeline! XD
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FOR ADDDDDVENTUUURE (LILI voice from heroes)
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publicoutcast.com I find it to be a good way to have a different outlook of what really goes on in the world. It's also a great way to learn and go on cool adventures. I tell everyone they should travel.
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Ryulightorb wrote:
Right now yes but eventually it may very well rise again.


Oh, I'm sorry, are we allowed to just make shit up? I thought we were trying to be all scientific and shit.



We still need a way of preparing new natural resources and things we don't have on earth


Why? If we don't have them on Earth, we don't need them. We have survived millions of years without them, and there is no reason to believe we won't survive millions more without them. We're not running out of anything we don't already know how to replace.

And "we're running out of resources" is a really terrible reason to shoot a bunch of those resources into space, anyway.


unless you want to wait till asteroids crash.


We face much larger risks from viral and bacterial infections that are already right here on Earth, but the CDC gets roughly a third the funding of NASA. There is no rational explanation for this.
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I need someone to convince me that time traveling is worth it.

Past:
So you time travel back to the past, but when you change something in the past, you create a new time line. If you are going back to fix something, there is always an original time line where things didn't work out because of infinite time lines. And of course, fixing every possible mistakes to achieve the best route for yourself seems a bit pointless since you are only branching off to the world line of your choice.

Future:
You arrive at the maximum possible future, you gain all technology ever existed, you become a supreme being that all could achieve once a time machine is built. Sure but there must be something more to it?


So I am wondering if there is a point to time travel


Well we all have seen Erased. There's also the movie/book: Time Traveler's Wife. X-Men: Days of Future Past....Why assume that anyone would be able to control their time traveling? What about 'only being equipped to send their conscious' back/forward to view from your/their own eyes?

The closest thing to the latter would be something - exactly seen in the show Black Mirror - The Entire History of You

There are other countless theoretical holes with time travel imo... E.g.: There's an episode of Family Guy called The Big Bang Theory, where the spark notes version is that the Universe creates Stewie so Stewie creates the Universe... then there's convoluted plot afterward...

But if you happen to be a repulsive, self-centered, selfishly stubborn human with the power of time travel at your hands and you attempt to change your life because of whatever ill-fortune you 'believe' you've been dealt (when in reality it's cuz you were to sh**ty to do it with compassion and honesty and gusto the first time or you want to cheat), well to each their own. If you can live with the ends justifying the means, then could anyone call it pointless really?

EDIT < I can't believe I didn't mention Re:Zero oh wait > hehehe


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That's obvious. Time is a barrier in more than just progress. Think of the full concept of time travel. The word consists of "travel", so let me highlight what people do with travel: Ever wanted to go see a concert live, but the concert was 25 years ago? Ever wanted to visit that amusement park that closed down last year? Have you ever missed your chance to go somewhere because there never was enough time on a busy exam weekend, so you had to choose priorities. Ever had nothing to do one day because everything you wanted to do happened other days? Time travel can be used seemingly harmless if you use it for sight-seeing.
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cdarklock wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:
Right now yes but eventually it may very well rise again.


Oh, I'm sorry, are we allowed to just make shit up? I thought we were trying to be all scientific and shit.



We still need a way of preparing new natural resources and things we don't have on earth


Why? If we don't have them on Earth, we don't need them. We have survived millions of years without them, and there is no reason to believe we won't survive millions more without them. We're not running out of anything we don't already know how to replace.

And "we're running out of resources" is a really terrible reason to shoot a bunch of those resources into space, anyway.


unless you want to wait till asteroids crash.


We face much larger risks from viral and bacterial infections that are already right here on Earth, but the CDC gets roughly a third the funding of NASA. There is no rational explanation for this.




You miss understand me

1. i'm not making shit up there is nothing to say it will stay small either plus if we want to advance faster we need more people in which space-faring does a good job for.

2. We will survive without then but just to survive is no enough progression is a focus we need and if progression requires materials we don't have on earth nor can we make we are best to go get them elsewhere.

Shooting resources into space as you call it is the only way to advance space travel to benefit human kind

3. i don't mean they will kill us lol i mean they are the only alternative for getting materials we need/want to progress and even then that's hit or miss.



The CDC getting that much funding is stupid but the funding NASA has is fine it has lead to many good things for us as humans and will continue to provide space travel is important to some of us especially those of us who wish for advancement over just surviving.


NASA has given birth to great tools we use everyday and will likely continue to also.
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