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Posted 6/11/17 , edited 6/12/17
and I'm sitting here in the UK waiting for ergo proxy to be snuck into UK license like super was after having bought the ergo collection on blu ray. brilliant. like keeping the existence of a creator from me even though it goes against my job
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Black Cat is pretty good and funny too
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Only for US and Canada... so, i don't ****ing care
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Oh 1 show for The Netherlands and it's the vampire one. I guess I can live with this. It helps that I already own Technolyze on DVD. This is why I buy DVDs kids! You can import them~ (Often from other countries with the same region in Europe, looking at you UK & France.)
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SandyNewt wrote:

Thank you At least now non NA has some kind of answer for why we see good stuff get and get very little.
Not going to be as helpful as you might think. I almost posted in you other thread, but I just couldn't find the motivation to do so as these questions have been answered ad nauseum. This answer while helpful to you and a couple of others who might read it, will not stop new people from other regions bringing this up over and over and over and over and over and.... well you get the point.

Honestly we need a sticky somewhere explaining the basics of how licensing work, in simply layman's terms, so that we can point to it whenever this gets brought up. It could even be linked by the author whenever one of these announcement threads gets posted. Basically it comes down to three things.

1) A company leases the licensing rights for specific regions, and has to pay more money to whom they are purchasing them from if they want to have the rights to them in more regions. This means that CR has to weigh the cost to license versus expected additional revenue when adding a region other than the US for a specific anime. This means that if a shows rights holder wants a large fee for a small subscriber base then CR would be flat out losing money from the license.

I'm sure CR treats many licenses in small regions as something akin to loss leaders in grocery, where they expect to lose money from licenses in the short run, but in doing so hope to increase the number of subscribers in the long run to therefore be able to pay for more shows in the region. However, there is a limit to how much money they can realistically spend just for this strategy, so they can only get so many shows for regions with low subscription. The US has a huge CR subscriber base and thus they can afford to license many more shows for the regions, whereas smaller regions get many less shows, because not enough people are subscribing and thus paying for the shows costs. I'm sure many shows in small regions are something like "freebie" licenses to sweeten deals when negotiating the US licensing costs.

2) Licenses for this type of thing are often desired to be exclusive by the ones licensing them so deals are often made where the licenser agrees to only license a show to a single company, meaning that in order to get access to a show CR may not even have the option of going to the original source but instead has to try to negotiate a sub-license from whomever already has rights in the region.

This point is the one most relevant to this thread. Since Funimation has rights to all the licenses in this thread, this means CR has to go through Funimation in order to stream these shows. This has its positive and negative aspects. On the plus side CR can probably get these shows quite a bit cheaper than normal, as Funimation is basically deferring some of the cost of their own license to CR. On the negative side, Funimation isn't the actual owner of the shows themselves and thus can only sub-license where they themselves have the rights, meaning that if CR wants to license for other regions they have to go through different channels entirely.

3) This one is related to both previous points. It may or may not be obvious, but the rights holders have to be willing to license or sub-license in the first place.

It's no small secret that Japan likes to treat anime as a domestic product for the Japanese people and often could care less about marketing it to other regions. The US region has a fairly sizable market in comparison to the rest of the world, however, and thus has more potential buying power with which to try to get their attention in the first place. As a contrast the smaller regions might not be worth it in the rights holders mind to negotiate the deal as a standalone even at a profit if the profit isn't big enough to make it worth the time to negotiate. I'm sure many smaller regions licenses are package deal bonuses from a US licensing.

On the other hand in relation to sub-licensing, many companies don't want to share. They acquired the rights specifically because they wanted sole streaming rights, and no reasonable amount of money is going to change their mind. It is possible another company in your region gobbles up as many anime licenses as they can get their hands on and thus CR has no recourse. We're getting all these shows from Funimation because Funimation thinks that the deal will be good for them in the long run, as although they have their own streaming service, their primary cash cow is doing English dubs and selling DVD/Blu-rays. So CR and Funi can kind of have a symbiotic relationship in that CR can offset some of its licensing costs while simultaneously serving as free advertisement. On the other hand, foreign anime streaming companies view CR as a flat out enemy and competitor.


TLDR: 1) Licenses are purchased by region. 2) If someone already holds the regional rights, you may be forced to deal with them specifically either because of cost effectiveness or because they have exclusive rights. 3) Whomever has the rights to the region may not be willing to deal with you in the first place. Hope this helps.
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casandra wrote: Oh 1 show for The Netherlands and it's the vampire one. I guess I can live with this. It helps that I already own Technolyze on DVD. This is why I buy DVDs kids! You can import them~ (Often from other countries with the same region in Europe, looking at you UK & France.)

Basically, that's how the Japanese would have been assuming people in the Netherlands, Nordic countries, Eastern Europe, etc. would be getting their anime ... importing it on DVD. Streaming screwed that up, and every time series from the mid 90's to the mid-2000's get brought over on the Funimation / Crunchyroll cross-distribution deal, with the "bad old days" territory rights attached, it's a reminder how much good Crunchyroll has done.
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Posted 6/12/17 , edited 6/12/17
So we've had Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, and Lain.

I'm placing my bets of 'Witch Hunter Robin' and 'Wolf's Rain' joining the catalogue soon.
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Posted 6/12/17

Parasite159 wrote:

I'm placing my bets of 'Witch Hunter Robin' and 'Wolf's Rain' joining the catalogue soon.

You would lose the bet on Witch Hunter Robin, as while it is among the titles they licensed, it is not in their own catalog yet.

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Wolfs rain is one of my all time favourites
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Britain gets the raw end of the deal again, thanks Brexit.
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Jeez, if Re-l pulls the trigger right now she's going to break her freaking arm...
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agila61 wrote:


casandra wrote: Oh 1 show for The Netherlands and it's the vampire one. I guess I can live with this. It helps that I already own Technolyze on DVD. This is why I buy DVDs kids! You can import them~ (Often from other countries with the same region in Europe, looking at you UK & France.)

Basically, that's how the Japanese would have been assuming people in the Netherlands, Nordic countries, Eastern Europe, etc. would be getting their anime ... importing it on DVD. Streaming screwed that up, and every time series from the mid 90's to the mid-2000's get brought over on the Funimation / Crunchyroll cross-distribution deal, with the "bad old days" territory rights attached, it's a reminder how much good Crunchyroll has done.


Tbh Importing anime is pretty expensive now days
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I understand the difficulties with the licensing and all that but I am still quite sad as a Swedish user. I'm slowly running out of shows to watch.
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Wooo Black Blood Brothers! The most underestimated show I've ever passed by time and again, then finally watched and was hooked. I own the DVDs now.

It's kind of a mix of younger-audience animation with a seinen-level story. But it's really well put-together by the studio (Ghibli). And it's a good story too - unique and believable setting, developed and interesting characters, a twisty-plot that unfolds on several levels, and oh yes, the BEST female villain ever.

It has its problems, they apparently ran out of budget a couple of times and had to stretch a couple of scenes and not really do justice to them, but that doesn't detract from the rest of the show.

Also, it's got some cheese to it, but it's got a "we're taking this ride, you can take it with us or get off the train" kind of attitude to go with the cheese. I like that.

Rating: totally worth the watch. If they had only done this show full-seinen level it'd be up there with the best shows ever made (and would probably have gotten the series continued).
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Posted 6/13/17 , edited 6/13/17

casandra wrote:

Oh 1 show for The Netherlands and it's the vampire one. I guess I can live with this. It helps that I already own Technolyze on DVD. This is why I buy DVDs kids! You can import them~ (Often from other countries with the same region in Europe, looking at you UK & France.)


Sorry to hear that you only get one show out of this. But good news - it's a FUN one! Check my post above about it. Enjoy
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