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Posted 6/9/17 , edited 6/9/17

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Sexual orientation isn't a choice though, and isn't a product of feminism, nor does it correlate with the rise of feminism.





I dont agree with this. Not in ALL cases anyhow. Not at all.


Feel free to tell me when you made a conscious choice over your sexual orientation.





It's called nature. Bioligy also. EDIT: Instinct as well.
Here's one example of the other way, i know more than one female who's mother left their father and hate them and have brainwashed the daughter(s) into hating their father and turned lesbo and the daughter(s) ended up you guessed it, lesbo. Sounds like a conscious decison to me. or influnece rather than naturally happening.
2ND EDIT: oh and also look at how many girls kiss other girls but are not actually gay.
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Masculinity is slowly being killed off. This topic well be a reality in the near future, and when that happens, I'll be sitting in a bathtub filled with water, cut my wrists and drop a toaster that's plugged in.


"Masculinity" is largely a construct that has constantly changed through out history and even in modern day varies wildly just from culture to culture. It is not "slowly being killed off" because there's never been a consensus to begin with. The current American idea of masculinity is in part shifting because the American economic and technological landscapes have shifted.

Go back two generations and the ideal of masculinity in western civilization was that of the industrial breadwinner. A man used his physical strength to support an entire family while the woman stayed at home. WW2 shook that up. More women entered the labour force. Technology advanced, industrial / manual labour became less important. Industries changed. Gender equality marched forward.

Go back a couple thousand years and the ideal of masculinity in western civilization was getting a blowjob from an underage teenage boy.

Times change. >.>

Remember, this:



Is Theodore Roosevelt. Maniliest of all Presidents.

This:

Is Franklin Roosevelt



Why? Because the idea of gendering children's clothing didn't come about till WW1 and it was an idea dreamed up by clothing retailers to sell more shit. When FDR was a kid, you wore a dress till you were 7 and had long hair. Regardless of gender.

And now, decades later, we're obsessed that we'll somehow ruin a child if we don't ensure they do "boy" things or "girl" things.

We're fucked up because of ad executives.


wasn't it like a right of passage , to get out of the dress
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MrAnimeSK wrote:


Dogempire wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:


Dogempire wrote:

Sexual orientation isn't a choice though, and isn't a product of feminism, nor does it correlate with the rise of feminism.





I dont agree with this. Not in ALL cases anyhow. Not at all.


Feel free to tell me when you made a conscious choice over your sexual orientation.





It's called nature. Bioligy also.


The best part about this is you don't even realize you just walked into it. -.-
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wasn't it like a right of passage , to get out of the dress


Not really. Though you're correct that in a lot of cultures you had to earn your adulthood and/or your manhood. It wasn't something innate you were born with. Going back to my previous terrifying point: It use to be a rite of passage to manhood to blow an older dude for several years.

So, yeah. >.>

A real man in ancient Greece spent the majority of his teenage years with someone else's junk in his face.
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it depends on the type of feminism
actual feminism that ya know GOT WOMEN TO VOTE and have jobs and shit


or the utter BULLSHIT we have today


It's worth noting the "bullshit we have today" is not a recent development. That brand of feminism has always been around; we're just more aware of it now.


I hear a lot of talk about that kind of "feminism", but I've never actually heard anybody expressing those views. I suspect you have to go out of your way or interpret everything a very specific way to encounter such "feminism".
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The actual answer is look at Rawanda right now with a majority female legislature
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The best part about this is you don't even realize you just walked into it. -.-


I stand by my opinion. SOME gays are NOT born that way. Things that happen to them , circumstances or influnece, forcefullness, abuse , etc CAN lead to them turning out that way.
And bi sexuals are a perfect example of making a conscious choice to experiment. Dose not mean they are born attracted to the same sex.
Just like how many girs kiss other girls to please and entertain men. Or engage in a three some for the mans sake, not because they are born lesbo or bi sexual.

I can admit some men are good looking. But these days going by your/people like yours logic that means iam secretly born gay? I could make a conscious decision to have a gay experience if i wanted to, but iam not attracted to men.
Yeah sure SOME people are born gay but i honestly believe some people choose to be.
Probably women do this more than men. Like women who were abused/raped/domestic violence victims/etc.

I guess some people probably turn gay from going to prison also? doubt all the men that ever had sex with a man in jail were born gay. And i do realise that most men that go to jail do not have sex with other men.

EDIT: are people who engage in beastyality born attracted to animals? are they an animal trapped in a humans body?
pedophiles? well by your logic they are born that way also? hmmm?
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I hear a lot of talk about that kind of "feminism", but I've never actually heard anybody expressing those views. I suspect you have to go out of your way or interpret everything a very specific way to encounter such "feminism".


Yeah, you have to go out of your way to find it. Which is why blaming it for everything is kind of silly.

Also sort of ironic to see people trying to find the worst examples of "feminism" to blame the supposed downfall of the worst examples of "masculinity" on.
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Feminism is the equality of genders so, it'd be a rather progressive society i'd say. But of course this thread is full of gender discourse or sexism because people don't understand the fundamentals of feminism.
A feminist society would benefit everyone, including men, as all "misandry" stems from misogyny.


Hm, I guess America is a pretty progressive society.

As much as I'd like to close my ears and say "LA LA LA READ THE DICTIONARY", that's not the reality of the movement. The "fundamentals" of feminism don't speak for the movement known as the feminist movement.

I also don't know how you can say all sexism towards men is due to sexism towards women. A ) two wrongs don't make a right B ) there is no way the context for all misandry ever would be so coincidental as to stem from the same source C ) isn't that kind of like victim blaming?
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TPmanW wrote:

I hear a lot of talk about that kind of "feminism", but I've never actually heard anybody expressing those views. I suspect you have to go out of your way or interpret everything a very specific way to encounter such "feminism".


Even though they're a little more visible now than they were decades ago, they're still very much on the fringe. Most people won't find that type of feminism unless they go looking for it.
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The question is silly anyways. I mean everyones idea of feminism is so similar yet different
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The actual answer is look at Rawanda right now with a majority female legislature


where genital mutilation is practiced?
yup I believe it a feminist country would be like that
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Kefkapwnsall wrote:

The actual answer is look at Rawanda right now with a majority female legislature


I don't think Rwanda's the best example. The legislature is mostly powerless; Paul Kagame is essentially a dictator in all but name.
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It's still something to be proud of that there is one even if it's a token but I made a mistake I was wrong in this one case and I'm going to shut up
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MrAnimeSK wrote:
I stand by my opinion. SOME gays are NOT born that way. Things that happen to them , circumstances or influnece, forcefullness, abuse , etc CAN lead to them turning out that way.


Abuse tends to have more to do with power than orientation. See above references to ancient Greece.



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And bi sexuals are a perfect example of making a conscious choice to experiment. Dose not mean they are born attracted to the same sex.
Just like how many girs kiss other girls to please and entertain men. Or engage in a three some for teh mans sake, not because they are born lesbo or bi sexual.


Actually, yes, you can be born bisexual or with bisexual leanings. That's what the whole "spectrum" thing means. Also, women are more likely to be ( or possibly admit ) to being bisexual. More men are probably bisexual or have bisexual leanings than we think but there's that whole fragile masculinity thing.



MrAnimeSK wrote:I can admit some men are good looking. But these days going by your/people like yours logic that means iam secretly born gay? I could make a conscious decision to have a gay experience if i wanted to, but iam not attracted to men.
Yeah sure SOME people are born gay but i honestly belive some peopel choose to be.
Probably women do this more than men. Like women who were abused/raped/domestic violence victims/etc.

I guess some people probably turn gay from going to prison also? doubt all the men that ever had sex with a man in jail were born gay. And i do realise that most men that go to jail do not have sex with other men.


Again, don't confuse the assertion of power with orientation. Especially not in the cases of abuse.

( Sorry, but my mom was a social psychologist specializing in child psychology. She dealt with a lot of this sort of thing. )




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