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Posted 6/12/17

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I'd have to do my research to be sure, but I'm guessing they aren't actively/directly responsible for any of BLM's more abrasive actions.


No, they aren't, like you said it's a movement. Not a cohesive organization with membership cards and application forms.
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except racism oppression and police brutality is racism oppression and police brutality no matter what ethnicity ,reason etc


Yes, but which group has historically suffered a disproportionate share of said brutality and racism in American society?

This is seriously not that hard. Don't make me bust out the burning house comic again.





so does that mean ignore every single other ethnicity? and only focus on blacks? this is like playing the who is the bigger victim card
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so does that mean ignore every single other ethnicity? and only focus on blacks? this is like playing the who is the bigger victim card


No, it isn't. You're basically arguing that no one can take up a cause unless they take up EVERY cause regardless of importance. That would obviously be silly and even counterproductive. Just as you don't know anything whatsoever about growing up black in an area plagued by systematic racism, they would not know anything whatsoever about your problems.

I mean, you've spoken before about your own issues and your issues with your education. What if you complained about them and wanted to fix them, then a straight A student from Harvard came along and bitched at you that you didn't understand HIS problems and why aren't you helping him with HIS problems at Harvard too. You'd rightfully look at him like he was an arsehole.

As for the victim card, you're also basically arguing for doing that thing that one friend does that drives everyone up the wall: When someone complains about something bad that happened, they HAVE to insert something bad that happened to them. Regardless of importance.

Have you ever told someone about a bad day and had them go "Well, wait till you hear about MY day!" and proceed to tell you something no where near as bad? Yeah, that. That "I could offer support or sympathy but instead I'm going to use your problem to make this about myself too".

No one likes that person.



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redokami wrote:
so does that mean ignore every single other ethnicity? and only focus on blacks? this is like playing the who is the bigger victim card


No, it isn't. You're basically arguing that no one can take up a cause unless they take up EVERY cause regardless of importance. That would obviously be silly and even counterproductive. Just as you don't know anything whatsoever about growing up black in an area plagued by systematic racism, they would not know anything whatsoever about your problems.

I mean, you've spoken before about your own issues and your issues with your education. What if you complained about them and wanted to fix them, then a straight A student from Harvard came along and bitched at you that you didn't understand HIS problems and why aren't you helping him with HIS problems at Harvard too. You'd rightfully look at him like he was an arsehole.

As for the victim card, you're also basically arguing for doing that thing that one friend does that drives everyone up the wall: When someone complains about something bad that happened, they HAVE to insert something bad that happened to them. Regardless of importance.

Have you ever told someone about a bad day and had them go "Well, wait till you hear about MY day!" and proceed to tell you something no where near as bad? Yeah, that. That "I could offer support or sympathy but instead I'm going to use your problem to make this about myself too".

No one likes that person.





I can kinda understand where you are coming from with this argument because it happens to me on almost a daily basis with my family -its like I cant be sick, ever, or actually have medical issues-
however I stil believe that even though it was intended, slightly to have a good cause-albeit with some racism-, it ended up not being that way judging by their actions
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BLM is an organized rioting & looting organization. They should be in jail for all the shit they caused.
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Posted 6/12/17 , edited 6/12/17

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tbh I thought black lives matter died out , but I guess they just aren't getting media spot light as much'
prob cuz of everyone screeching RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!! ITS THE RUSSIANS OMG OUR GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLED BY PUTIN OMG OMG OMGIMPEACH TRUMP OMG RUSSIA RUSSIA


24 fuckin 7 lol

tbh if a "White lives matter" group came about, and did everything BLM has done, to a T, with the same rhetoric, they would be branded as a hate group and racist


and yet...



And on topic.. BLM is a racist terrorist group that should be put down, not reworded.
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I kind of got the impression Black Lives Matter was more of an idea then an organized movement, a hashtag really. Kind of like gamergate was a while back. And once an idea picks up momentum, you're going to have all kinds of people acting on it. There are probably legitimately good people simply trying to increase oversight of law enforcement people, which in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. But yeah, there are a lot of people who are also being idiots about it and taking it too far. Stirring up active hatred for cops as a whole, for example, is not a good idea.

Anyways, the award seems to have been specifically for a small group of founding members, quoting the linked article.


The award recognizes the work of the founding leaders of the social justice activist network, Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi


I'd have to do my research to be sure, but I'm guessing they aren't actively/directly responsible for any of BLM's more abrasive actions.


Reading the article, it seems like the award sort of extends to the movement as a whole too. First time the award has ever gone to a movement, not a person, sorry, too lazy to quote directly/verbatim. (Nor am I sure I even know how exactly.)

I doubt the founders are particularly bad people either, might be very good people for all I know. Cullors is quoted expressing some sentiment that cops are rather dangerous in general (though I don't think Cullors said "in general"?), or whatever exactly the sentiment is, sorry, again, not quoting directly. That they bring death. I don't particularly care for that expression, though it's probably sincerely expressed. I'm not anti-cop, though I recognize bad cops do exist. And I do feel that in general a lot of black people have probably had some bad experiences with cops, experiences where cops have been at fault. That's my impression anyway.

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Some people are racists unfortunately. This includes people of all races. So it kind of follows that some cops are racists. But not all people are racists, not all cops are racists.

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Reading the article, it seems like the award sort of extends to the movement as a whole too. First time the award has ever gone to a movement, not a person, sorry, too lazy to quote directly/verbatim. (Nor am I sure I even know how exactly.)

I doubt the founders are particularly bad people either, might be very good people for all I know. Cullers is quoted expressing some sentiment that cops are rather dangerous in general (though I don't think Cullers said "in general"?), or whatever exactly the sentiment is, sorry, again, not quoting directly. That they bring death. I don't particularly care for that expression, though it's probably sincerely expressed. I'm not anti-cop, though I recognize bad cops do exist. And I do feel that in general a lot of black people have probably had some bad experiences with cops, experiences where cops have been at fault. That's my impression anyway.

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Some people are racists unfortunately. This includes people of all races. So it kind of follows that some cops are racists. But not all people are racists, not all cops are racists.



It does seem that way, but that could just as easily be the writer slanting the article to make it seem that way, for good or for ill. Gonna need another source to clarify that. Regardless, it's true that a lot of people are going to interpret it that way, regardless of the award giver's original intentions.

But yeah, it's all too easy for a group or movement to be defined by their worst members. The example you gave of the police being defined by a few racist cops is a good example. Defining BLM by the members that are out of control isn't necessarily fair either.

Imo, it seems like these idea-based movements are particularly vulnerable to that kind of characterization. To cite my previous example, Gamergate fell prey to similar circumstances.
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Posted 6/12/17

Mishio1 wrote:


davidnoman wrote:

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It does seem that way, but that could just as easily be the writer slanting the article to make it seem that way, for good or for ill. Gonna need another source to clarify that. Regardless, it's true that a lot of people are going to interpret it that way, regardless of the award giver's original intentions.

But yeah, it's all too easy for a group or movement to be defined by their worst members. The example you gave of the police being defined by a few racist cops is a good example. Defining BLM by the members that are out of control isn't necessarily fair either.

Imo, it seems like these idea-based movements are particularly vulnerable to that kind of characterization. To cite my previous example, Gamergate fell prey to similar circumstances.


Hm, apparently, I don't know how to quote the article. Anyway, the quote about the award going to the movement seems to be from the Sydney... whatever it's called giving the award, though it may still be a little unclear.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page, more or less at least. I don't have any statistics here, it's just kind of my impression based on what I've seen on TV that there's some really intense, prevalent, sort of scary anti-cop sentiment, but again, I don't really know how prevalent it is. The chants for dead cops with what seems like a fairly large number of people all together could have been anomalies for all I know. I'm sure there are people with some involvement with BLM who are perfectly good people, the group could have been a good thing and despite all the hate (which is very bad, I think), may still have some good points. I don't know to what extent or even if the founding members or whoever are anti-cop.

So I agree with you in principle, it's just a lack of information on my part. But it's definitely true that, if we judge people at all, we should judge them as individuals. I still think this peace prize being awarded to BLM, if that is the case anyway, is rather absurd. Again I don't know anything about the founders of sorts.
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Well this is rather funny lol
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Posted 6/12/17 , edited 6/12/17

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And on topic.. BLM is a racist terrorist group that should be put down, not reworded.


If we reworded them what would we call them?


yeah because auto correct mistakes... is so on topic.. Stop trolling for once in you life..
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


rawratl wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


And on topic.. BLM is a racist terrorist group that should be put down, not reworded.


If we reworded them what would we call them?


yeah because auto correct mistakes... is so on topic.. Stop trolling for once in you life..


Sure, blame auto-correct
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It simply tarnishes their credibility. Doesn't matter.

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This is what our culture has come to

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