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Posted 6/15/17 , edited 6/15/17

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

I think most oral boards will have 3-5 people. They should tell you upfront that writing or not writing while you are talking doesn't mean anything at the beginning of the oral board.

command board ? if this is a government job as you stated it's not a civil position... [b] is it a sworn position ?


I don't think you have to go through the command board for civil positions...


ninjitsuko wrote:

I should have warned you that writing things down doesn't really reflect much on the person that's on the board you're interviewing with (as per AnimeAddictANN69 had mentioned). Some people are confident with their instincts over any data that they put down on a piece of paper (I never write things down since I have an awesome as hell memory).

This sounds like a police or security-based detail. In those situations, I would highly recommend doing some research on those who would be on the command board and make sure you are absolutely confident in the department you're hoping to work for (their achievements, their accomplishments [that specific department/division/agency], and so on). At that level, you're going to be dealing with people who are either high on the totem pole due to experience or because of knowledge in the field.

There are other things you should probably avoid doing during and after the interview. One of the things that I was told got me a job at a government think tank when I was so young (mid 20's at the time) was because I had asked if there were any questions that the command board wished to re-address or get additional clarity on since we had time remaining. I got a lot of handshakes and thank you memos once I got the job offer because of that strategy.

At the end of the day, just keep yourself updated on the department you're applying for, people in said department, and any public information regarding the department/agency must be in your head. Knowledge is power and going in knowing what you're dealing with in terms of persons, company, and the department will make it easier for you to handle if they throw you any curveballs.


It's pretty spot on. I have no experience in this field but they will train me so, I'll see where it will take me FBI ? CIA ? etc..

back to the oral board

I'm working from home for 4 different companies and not once i had to go through an oral board. They interviewed me over the phone and i was hired. It's a different field I'm heading into. I can continue to work from home on my days off. It's one of the pros of being a contractor.

Yes. They told me that up front but still, when you have 3 people writing something and one person just sit there and look at you all the time..

I remember back in high school or those classes where they will teach you what to do for an interview? and about sending Thank You cards I after the interview ? I didn't send out thank you cards in my last oral board and I didn't do it this time around either. I guess for some companies it doesn't matter ??? I shook each person's hand "Nice to meet you" during the introduction part of the interview and waited for them to tell me to sit down. I shook their hands again and thanked them "Thank you for the opportunity" before walking out of the room.

They will let you know if you passed or failed 5 minutes or so after the oral board at this city. It made me nervous because of it, i would rather receive a letter instead of having someone saying it to my face... I guess this is why there's only 1 applicant waiting at the time. They escorted me to the another room where I signed up for the background interview. I was introduced to one of the people who will be on the command board there.

I have a good feeling with this city for various reasons

1- I did a lot better on the physical test - and they like it when i'm continue to train on a daily basis - 1.5 mile run in 9 minute is the goal

2- I was a volunteer here a few years ago

3- There's community in this city with people who speak another language beside English and Spanish that I'm fluent in.

as for the questions they asked during the oral board

- what I did to prepare for this job
- how do i deal with stress -- i didn't say anything about video games just that i have a punching bag at home for it
- scenario questions - "what would you do" type of questions
- what is my meaning of "diversity"
- what is integrity ? and an example of it..

they asked me if have any questions after the interview.. i didn't have a lot to ask beside the training facility

- the location/ is it a live in/ and hours -- since i can't find any information about the training facility on their website..

I did not expect the "diversity" meaning question, the other city didn't ask about diversity....
Posted 6/15/17

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It's pretty spot on. I have no experience in this field but they will train me so, I'll see where it will take me FBI ? CIA ? etc..


Yeah, "command boards" are usually for those who have had the experience in a security-driven environment (they know the details, the lifestyle, and the requirements). The oral board you've been through so far was pretty much "par for the course" - the fact that you had a command board interview afterwards kind of "ratted you out" in a manner of speaking (not in a negative way, but I've had experience in that area too - so it's something that comes with the territory).


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I remember back in high school or those classes where they will teach you what to do for an interview? and about sending Thank You cards I after the interview ? I didn't send out thank you cards in my last oral board and I didn't do it this time around either. I guess for some companies it doesn't matter ??? I shook each person's hand "Nice to meet you" during the introduction part of the interview and waited for them to tell me to sit down. I shook their hands again and thanked them "Thank you for the opportunity" before walking out of the room


This is kind of a hit-or-miss scenario. I do the "Thank You" cards and e-mail follow-ups when I know they're handling multiple applicants at the same time for various positions. This is mostly to keep you fresh in their mind (mention the position, projects mentioned, and your name) - it's a clever tactic but it isn't always a requirement. Nowadays, because it's on so many websites and was taught in high school .. it feels less genuine (coming from someone who interviews people for positions). Depending on the "feel" of the command board, maybe send "Thank You" cards/e-mails to them, especially if they're normally engaged in field work/tasks. You're quite literally taking them away from time spent doing the job they're trained and proud of doing.


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I got a good feeling with this city for various reasons... (etc)...


Good luck with it all, of course!

It sounds like it's a good opportunity. I do suggest making sure you do some background investigation into the one person you've met that's going to be on the command board (any prominent cases/scenarios that they've been on and was known in a public sense, etc). The command board will be a little less about you and your qualifications and more about what is being brought to the department if you get the position (in my experience).

As for the diversity question - you said that you're fluent in a language outside of English/Spanish that is common in the town. When you know you're going to be dealing with minorities, they're going to challenge your perception of what diversity and racism are (to some degree) to make sure they're not hiring someone with a strong prejudice -- I would assume, at least (I ask the same question since a lot of our employees are Indians or Pakistani).
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Yeah, "command boards" are usually for those who have had the experience in a security-driven environment (they know the details, the lifestyle, and the requirements). The oral board you've been through so far was pretty much "par for the course" - the fact that you had a command board interview afterwards kind of "ratted you out" in a manner of speaking (not in a negative way, but I've had experience in that area too - so it's something that comes with the territory).

This is kind of a hit-or-miss scenario. I do the "Thank You" cards and e-mail follow-ups when I know they're handling multiple applicants at the same time for various positions. This is mostly to keep you fresh in their mind (mention the position, projects mentioned, and your name) - it's a clever tactic but it isn't always a requirement. Nowadays, because it's on so many websites and was taught in high school .. it feels less genuine (coming from someone who interviews people for positions). Depending on the "feel" of the command board, maybe send "Thank You" cards/e-mails to them, especially if they're normally engaged in field work/tasks. You're quite literally taking them away from time spent doing the job they're trained and proud of doing.

Good luck with it all, of course!

It sounds like it's a good opportunity. I do suggest making sure you do some background investigation into the one person you've met that's going to be on the command board (any prominent cases/scenarios that they've been on and was known in a public sense, etc). The command board will be a little less about you and your qualifications and more about what is being brought to the department if you get the position (in my experience).

As for the diversity question - you said that you're fluent in a language outside of English/Spanish that is common in the town. When you know you're going to be dealing with minorities, they're going to challenge your perception of what diversity and racism are (to some degree) to make sure they're not hiring someone with a strong prejudice -- I would assume, at least (I ask the same question since a lot of our employees are Indians or Pakistani).


oral board--> background interview --> command board--> polygraph--> conditional offer? --> medical and psychological test -> one on one interview with the department head --> then retest for physical again before heading to training facility

I'm looking at the schedule they posted

Oral board Jun 13-16
The background interview -- They only do 2 applicants/day/ interviewer. I guess it will take at least 3-ish hours then.
Command board July 17 -July 18

I'm guessing they will weed out quite a few people by July so the command board will only need 2 days.. I was told the fastest time through the whole process is 2-3 months. They will let you know if you passed or failed right away after the oral board so I'm not sure if sending Thank You cards is necessary anymore. I got the chance to say thank you to one of my interviewer when she walked out of the room as I was being escorted to another room.

I don't think it's possible to investigate more about that person who will be on the command board. I had to signed in and get a visitor sticker and then they escort me from start to finish pretty much I was told it's good to check the company's website and read through the information they have on the website. Get to know the company you work from pretty much.

In my opinion, racism can come from any race/ethnic group. I guess the answer i provided for diversity was acceptable

"... we are all Americans" -- at the end of my answer :)

I have to ask this since you do the hiring for your company.

if you see a person applied for multiple places for the same job, is it a negative/frown upon from the employer perspective ?

I was told that it does not hurt my chance if i want to apply for more than one..

Posted 6/15/17

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I have to ask this since you do the hiring for your company.

if you see a person applied for multiple places for the same job, is it a negative/frown upon from the employer perspective ?

I was told that it does not hurt my chance if i want to apply for more than one..



Generally, it doesn't bother me whatsoever if someone applies for multiple positions. It shows me that they either:

A) They have a range of skills that can work with either position (which means flexibility in the future if the need arises)

or

B) They're interested enough in the company to try to explore multiple positions.

The only time that it's a downer (in my opinion) is if you apply for totally different positions within the same company. A prime example of this would be (as someone has done before):

First Application: Senior J2EE Developer
Second Application: Junior Network Analyst
Third Application: Technical Support - Tier 1
Fourth Application: Client Service Representative

When I pulled them into the interview room over the first and second applications (okay, fine.. fine.. I have both a programming and network administrator background - it's rare but it happens), he ended up saying he was trying to get into technical support or client relations. Come to find out, he didn't have the qualifications for EITHER position (1st and 2nd) and wanted the latter (3rd and 4th). I only have leadership in the first three - that alone irked me.

This, of course, is a "worse case scenario". Applying for similar things with similar qualifications is fine. Just don't try to get your foot in the door through a position you're underqualified for or something stupid. Take pride in your accomplishments and accept what qualifications you have as they are. (this is a general statement, not specifically targeted at you).

As for following up with the command board (investigation wise), it's likely that knowledge is going to be really, really scarce when it comes to the members that'll be on the board. In my experience with the government when it comes to security (wasn't physical security, but still) - the main requirement is knowing exactly what you'd be doing, what the department does, and what those who are already working there have done overall (for the improvement of the country, city, county, etc..).
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It's pretty spot on. I have no experience in this field but they will train me so, I'll see where it will take me FBI ? CIA ? etc..


so.. if we don't see you posting on this forums anymore, i think we can guess why...

You can apply for the same job with different employers if you want, there's nothing wrong with that. I would worry about all the appointments you have to go to though..
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I didn't know one person can apply for multiple positions for the same company like that. I was asking about applying for the same job with different companies ninjitsuko.

They probably will not tell me who are the people on the command board. I think it's best if i learn more about the company through their website and look more into the job i'm applying for. Each has its own mission statement of sort.

btw.. Do you hire new employees that often ? It looks like these cities are hiring people on a quarterly-semi annually here. They only have 15-30 positions available for each year and 100-200+ people applied for those positions. I'm guessing most were dropped before the training. I heard some didn't make it through the training period.




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dulun18 wrote:
It's pretty spot on. I have no experience in this field but they will train me so, I'll see where it will take me FBI ? CIA ? etc..


so.. if we don't see you posting on this forums anymore, i think we can guess why...

You can apply for the same job with different employers if you want, there's nothing wrong with that. I would worry about all the appointments you have to go to though..



unless I'm too busy or too tired to even go online... I don't think they will forbid me from posting in forums. It's not like I'm sharing sensitive materials
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unless I'm too busy or too tired to even go online... I don't think they will forbid me from posting in forums. It's not like I'm sharing sensitive materials


Did you find any information on what the training will be like ?
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Did you find any information on what the training will be like ?


I heard back then it's was in Tuscon and live-in dorm, so it's a good think that it's in Phoenix and not live-in anymore. It's closer. The training will take 6 months. I don't know if it's 8 hr or 10hr hour day .
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i'm sure they will tell you all the details when you are hired.
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my BI interview is at the end of this month and the command board will be in mid July. It will take a while.

Well.. my BI interview is at 1330. I have to be there 15 minutes early.. I guess it's time to get ready..



AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

i'm sure they will tell you all the details when you are hired.


You are right. They are giving me a bit of information with each step.

The command board is similar to the oral board, but unlike the oral board it will be me and two commanders I guess this is why they are calling it command board. They will ask me about my background again (probably in more detail) and why i want this job. The interview will last 45 minutes. They will eliminate about 1/2 of the applicants after the command board and probably even more after the polygraph...

I found out that there are only 4 positions open and yet they received 400+ applications. The physical and written tests helped them pick out the top 80 applicants for the oral board. There are 40 or so applicants left and about 1/2 will remain after the command board.

4 positions and there are 40 people... I have no experience in this field at all so i'm not so sure now... I guess i might as well keep at it and see how far i can go with this...

command board
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Conditional offer --> psy/med/phy test , drug test - > interview with department head..
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I found out that there are only 4 positions open and yet they received 400+ applications. The physical and written tests helped them pick out the top 80 applicants for the oral board. There are 40 or so applicants left and about 1/2 will remain after the command board.

4 positions and there are 40 people... I have no experience in this field at all so i'm not so sure now... I guess i might as well keep at it and see how far i can go with this...

command board
Polygraph
Conditional offer --> psy/med/phy test , drug test - > interview with department head..


400+ applicants for 4 positions. Is this how it is now a day ?

You are almost there so keep at it ! 400-> 40

I'm guessing they are looking for specific applicants ... if not.... someone with no experience will not make it this far. If it's security/policing type of job, I'm guessing CHARACTER and BACKGROUND are important to them than experience. Your past medical experience will also be helpful. I'm sure the training will be hell though so be sure you are ready...

It looks like it will be a lengthy process. Is it like 1-2 month since since you applied ?
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400+ applicants for 4 positions. Is this how it is now a day ?

You are almost there so keep at it ! 400-> 40

I'm guessing they are looking for specific applicants ... if not.... someone with no experience will not make it this far. If it's security/policing type of job, I'm guessing CHARACTER and BACKGROUND are important to them than experience. Your past medical experience will also be helpful. I'm sure the training will be hell though so be sure you are ready...

It looks like it will be a lengthy process. Is it like 1-2 month since since you applied ?


it's pretty competitive now a day-- especially government jobs--but once you are in you will stay until retirement pretty much

I applied with them around the last week of April 2017, so it's taking a while...
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it's pretty competitive now a day-- especially government jobs--but once you are in you will stay until retirement pretty much

I applied with them around the last week of April 2017, so it's taking a while...


so it's already 2+ months already and you are still in the middle of the hiring process

Don't quit your day job !!
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so it's already 2+ months already and you are still in the middle of the hiring process

Don't quit your day job !!


I'll continue to work from home on my days off if hired It's one of the benefits of being a contractor. It's already 7/4/2017 so time went by pretty quick when you are busy so i didn't feel as long imo.
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it's been 2+ week now, any news? are we down to 20-ish applicants now ?
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