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Post Reply A moment of silence for the 93 million Americans that died from gun violence today
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at this rate, america will be depopulated with in a week.

monday 310 million
tuesday 217 million
wensday 127 million
turnsday 31million
friday AMERICA IS DEAD.

Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/25/17

MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


If 93 million people were killed every day by guns alone there would be no people left. And even if "gun violence" deaths (around 10k per year, not counting suicides) suddenly overtook, say, obesity related deaths (around 300k+ per year), its not guns that are the problem.






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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/25/17

MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


You say gun deaths as if they are all one thing. In reality its split between gun homicides and suicides then homicides are split between self defense and actual homicide. Also are we only concerning ourselves with people killed with guns and ignoring people killed in all the other possible methods?
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/25/17

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MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


You say gun deaths as if they are all one thing. In reality its split between gun homicides and suicides then homicides are split between self defense and actual homicide. Also are we only concerning ourselves with people killed with guns and ignoring people killed in all the other possible methods?


If I go by the thead title, it's "from gun violence". You'll have to ask the OP, I suppose...
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/16/17

MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


So just curious, when is it acceptable to use lives to push an agenda, then lie about the total, and how it happens?

It's great and all to feel remorse, but it changes from remorse to agenda when you slap law and public image all over it.

Let's take Every Town's Numbers

http://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/?source=etno_ETHomePage&utm_source=et_n_&utm_medium=_o&utm_campaign=ETHomePage#YearlyGunMurders
"12,979" to gun homicide.

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9,616 from FBI UCR

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2011-2015.xls

So, we talking 3,600 lives that somehow just got added to the homicide total by agenda organization. Who is more accurate? A Gun Control Group, or the FBI?

But lets ignore that, and go by their estimate of 12,979.


12,979/315,000,000 = .000004

Less than 1% of the population die to guns yearly in homicide.

Tell me, if I told you had less than 1% chance for anything to happen would you think its an high risk?

Doubtfully. That is why its overblown and mocked when he says "93 million" which would make America be dead in 72 hours when the reality is, it would take decades to a century even produce a 1% population fatality rate.
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/17/17

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So, we talking 3,600 lives that somehow just got added to the homicide total by agenda organization. Who is more accurate? A Gun Control Group, or the FBI?


Haven't I already corrected you on this issue?

The fact that there are multiple different counts for the number of gun homicides doesn't mean that one number is correct and the other is incorrect. Typically it just means that there are different ways of counting. Now, if you look at the bottom of the linked page, they give a description of where they get their numbers from: The CDC.

Now, why are CDC and FBI numbers different? Well, its because they are looking at different things. The CDC tends to look at issues from a public health standpoint while the FBI looks at numbers from a crime standpoint. This leads to a number of differences in how the numbers are collected and what they mean.

For example, the CDC collects data from "vital registration systems". What this means is that context is typically left out and you get information in the way, for example, a coroner's report would provide it. The FBI on the other hand, tends to get data self-reported by police organizations. That first of all means that you don't get 100% of the data (Florida for example, doesn't provide their data to the FBI). It also means, that if an incident isn't determined to be a crime, it may not be reported into FBI homicide data.

So, in conclusion, two numbers doesn't mean someone is lying. It just means that the numbers come from different places and often measure slightly different things.
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/17/17

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Nasigno wrote:

So, we talking 3,600 lives that somehow just got added to the homicide total by agenda organization. Who is more accurate? A Gun Control Group, or the FBI?


Haven't I already corrected you on this issue?

The fact that there are multiple different counts for the number of gun homicides doesn't mean that one number is correct and the other is incorrect. Typically it just means that there are different ways of counting. Now, if you look at the bottom of the linked page, they give a description of where they get their numbers from: The CDC.

Now, why are CDC and FBI numbers different? Well, its because they are looking at different things. The CDC tends to look at issues from a public health standpoint while the FBI looks at numbers from a crime standpoint. This leads to a number of differences in how the numbers are collected and what they mean.

For example, the CDC collects data from "vital registration systems". What this means is that context is typically left out and you get information in the way, for example, a coroner's report would provide it. The FBI on the other hand, tends to get data self-reported by police organizations. That first of all means that you don't get 100% of the data (Florida for example, doesn't provide their data to the FBI). It also means, that if an incident isn't determined to be a crime, it may not be reported into FBI homicide data.

So, in conclusion, two numbers doesn't mean someone is lying. It just means that the numbers come from different places and often measure slightly different things.


You probably have prior, but the issue is, it does not answer why this is blown up in every news and incident to shout the agenda that excessive numbers of people are being killed by any specific means.

My main point in that whole post is literally less than 1% the population dies annually to this method yet it is such a "epidemic". Especially when thrown at speeches to the levels that "America is gonna be dead in 72 hours cause 93 million are dying a day"

That isn't a slip of words, it wasn't just said once, it was twice within a single speech. So I really doubt it was not anything less than just attempting to gain emotions of the attack and jet fuel to that fire by throwing some off the wall crazy number out there.

So really, again. Is something that kills less than 1% of the total population of a country really that crazy a problem?

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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/25/17

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a great man once said, "if they're going to die then they'd better do it, and decrease the surplus population"


That might be the first time I've heard Ebenezer Scrooge referred to as a great man...

On another note, this is why being a politician would suck. Screw up your speech, and the whole world decides you have nothing worth hearing. Though, to be fair, there are way too many speeches that really aren't worth making. Like this one.
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/17/17

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I hate guns, for movies it's ok. But why do people hurt other people.


You hate guns? Have you ever owned one or been trained to use one? You don't hate guns, you fear guns. It's different.
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Well, even if you didn't see when the other user corrected you, at least you answered my question - to you, about 1% loss is an acceptable number, it would seem.
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/25/17

MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


Which is why fire arms training should be universally mandated, and all citizens required to be armed. It would be a very civil law abiding society
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/16/17

MakotoKamui wrote:



Well, even if you didn't see when the other user corrected you, at least you answered my question - to you, about 1% loss is an acceptable number, it would seem.


You mean not even 1%. Its closer to 0.04% it would take over 2 decades to actually be a 1% total.
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Posted 6/16/17 , edited 6/17/17

Nasigno wrote:

You probably have prior, but the issue is, it does not answer why this is blown up in every news and incident to shout the agenda that excessive numbers of people are being killed by any specific means.

So really, again. Is something that kills less than 1% of the total population of a country really that crazy a problem?



Yes. About 2.5million people die in the USA each year. That is 0.8% of the population. By your logic, death itself isn't really a big deal. Who cares, right? It's less than 1% of the total population.
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MakotoKamui wrote:

HAHA! Someone misspoke about how many people die from a thing! That's hilarious.

So. Just curious, how many gun deaths do you find acceptable? I mean, the 93 million mark is high enough for you to ask people to press F for, but at what level do you worry?


Which is why fire arms training should be universally mandated, and all citizens required to be armed. It would be a very civil law abiding society


Oh, I totally agree with the training. If more people would realize the bare basics of "the gun is always loaded. Even if you just unloaded it, it's still loaded. Never point it at something you aren't willing to kill (even if your finger is nowhere near the trigger), and yes, it is still loaded", we'd have a lot fewer problems. Personally, I like refresher courses when it comes to firearms. I don't want to get complacent with something designed to take a life.

Not sure everyone should be armed, though. I enjoy the skill of shooting, but considering most people don't train - and states are making laws even looser about licenses and such - I'm not sure I'd want that. Much like when people are driving, I'd like them to have enough skill that they don't run into me on the road.. or into my house. That's rare, but does happen, and that's an object designed to get you from point A to point B. With weapons, well.. an armed society might be a scared society, but unless they know what they're doing, it won't necessarily be a polite society.
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Nasigno wrote:

You probably have prior, but the issue is, it does not answer why this is blown up in every news and incident to shout the agenda that excessive numbers of people are being killed by any specific means.

So really, again. Is something that kills less than 1% of the total population of a country really that crazy a problem?



Yes. About 2.5million people die in the USA each year. That is 0.8% of the population. By your logic, death itself isn't really a big deal. Who cares, right? It's less than 1% of the total population.


Since you want to go this way, lets go.

Amazing that out of the 2.5 million, you are worried about only 12,000. When realistically cars are double that, doctors are in hundreds of thousands, and tobacco is in the 400~ odd thousand.

This is what I love about the whole argument, it appeals that "lives matter" but lets be honest do they really matter to you? How far you willing to give up to "save lives?"

Right now, double the loss of life (30,000+) is attributed to private ownership of cars, of which over 1,132 children are killed annual to DUIs, and another 10,000 adults. Just basic car accidents is outweighing guns in lives lost. You willing to give up that privilege to guarantee a higher degree of safety? But no, the argument always comes back "hurr durr it's not meant to kill people" or "I need my car!" well,

A. sure its not designed too, but guess what double die to it in America every year

B. You don't need it, many nations have nice public transit, we could just copy them (Seems to be a trend to copy gun control, why not copy public transit too!)

So again, do those arguments above apply to you too? Or you willing to give up your privileges for the "greater good of saving lives" cause by all accounts owning cars is killing more Americans each day than guns do.
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