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Posted 6/18/17

May201m wrote:

i'm confused are they pretending or is this a real thing?


Real tldr the stress of deportation broke their minds https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4731541/
Posted 6/18/17

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Lol yeah, those refugees have it so easy. There's nothing more easy in life than to have to forcibly leave your home with little to nothing to your name, deal with ptsd and other detriments to your mental health and then come to a new country and immediately get attacked by crybabies who think you're a "protected class" because you get a few benefits. Nothing easier in the world, I tell you what.


Like I said before, the majority of 'refugees' that are spurring the immigration crisis in Europe are economic migrants. Coming from countries that aren't at war. They pay human smugglers to traffic them. Who do you think sells them the boats? Shady human trafficking groups. "Refugee" child washed upon the shore in Turkey that made the news a while back? The son of a human trafficker who got his son killed because of greed.
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Like I said before, the majority of 'refugees' that are spurring the immigration crisis in Europe are economic migrants. Coming from countries that aren't at war. They pay human smugglers to traffic them. Who do you think sells them the boats? Shady human trafficking groups. "Refugee" child washed upon the shore in Turkey that made the news a while back? The son of a human trafficker who got his son killed because of greed.


They were not economic migrants, they were refugees fleeing Syria. They paid the same as everyone else did on that boat. Said human trafficking groups like to make said refugees helm the boats as to not risk getting arrested by authorities or drowning themselves.

Your continued lack of compassion over human beings with different skin colours is appalling. But at least own up to it without bullshitting us with the latest and greatest from the swamps of the internet.

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They were not economic migrants, they were refugees fleeing Syria. They paid the same as everyone else did on that boat. Said human trafficking groups like to make said refugees helm the boats as to not risk getting arrested by authorities or drowning themselves.

Your continued lack of compassion over human beings with different skin colours is appalling. But at least own up to it without bullshitting us with the latest and greatest from the swamps of the internet.


Which ones? The beach boy human trafficker dad?
Is Vice the 'swamps of the internet'? It should be liberal enough for you.

I wouldn't exactly take "No I wasn't" from the accused as definite proof he wasn't.
https://news.vice.com/article/father-of-drowned-syrian-boy-alan-kurdi-denies-being-a-people-smuggler
Also they were already out of Syria in Turkey. The man had 4k euros to pay to shady ISIS linked human traffickers, even if he wasn't one himself, as did all the other ones on the boat. I think 4k would go a lot longer as living expenses in Turkey than in Europe.
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I already said I didn't read all replies nor did I claim it wasn't real, but rather that I choose to think it isn't. Heck if you think I'm against muslims or immigration then you're wrong, I'm pro immigration but not blind unfiltered mass immigration where we take immigrants every word to heart. Most refugees who are child refugees who are in need of help should be given help as close to them as possible. But I can't take someones claims of being a child seriously regardless of if there's medical tests involved or not when they look like this. And I can bet my shiny Porsche on that he isn't gonna be under 25 in a medical test, so if it gives 2-3 years wrong then who cares it won't change his fate...


Here's Sweden's fastest 14 year old "child" refugee http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html

And if you think images like this are just a small one time thing then I can assure you I've seen daily on the news people who claim to be children who look just like this.

Also it really is just Swedish doctors who think it's unethical and wrong to do medical age tests. All nabouring countries (Finland, Norway, Denmark) do medical age tests if immigrants age can't be established in other ways. And you don't see doctors in those countries screaming it can give 2-3 years wrong or that it's unethical.

And no Friatider really isn't in any way like Brietbart and yes I'm well aware that the swedish government who hates old people and woman think they are. But they think anything and everything just slightly more right then they themselves are is down right nazi. And Stormfront is a nazi political party who provides news that follow their agenda. There are multiple far right news sources and parties in sweden, some shut down and some that remain active. Honestly I don't really keep track of who is shut down and who isn't shut down or if they've changed name as I don't subscribe to their political ideology (like you seem to think based on your reply).
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Ha ha i knew that Runec and Octorock would be all over this.


I think we all knew they would devour this thread and go all over it lmao
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MrAnimeSK wrote:

Ha ha i knew that Runec and Octorock would be all over this.


I think we all knew they would devour this thread and go all over it lmao


Yup. And i've chosen to stay out of this one. Cant be bothered going at it with them on this one. They make some good points and debates at times but at times, oh my gosh its mr and mrs know it all or they're just very set in concrete. As far as they would both never dare say ANYTHING bad about Islam or a refugee or an illiegal alien or etc. In typical left wing fashion.
And i mean no matter what. Both pretty selective about what parts of history they care about also. So it would seem.

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Where are the african cases of this
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Where are the african cases of this


Probably in Africa. Pretty sure if you look you'll see alot of both Christian and Muslim extremisim in Africa. And corruption.
And here in Australia the Africans are pretty famous for their tribal disputes/rivalries. And for carrying knives.
In Melbourne they have become very famous for gang bashings, robbings, store robberies and most worrying, home invasions.
It's become a bit of an epidemic actually (the home invasions).
Here Aborigines are fairly famous for doing home invasions but it's usually only targetting people who are growing dope plants. But some of these Africans seem to target who ever. And they seem more likely to inflict harm rather than just take what they are after.
I cant speak for the rest of the world though.
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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:
I already said I didn't read all replies nor did I claim it wasn't real, but rather that I choose to think it isn't.


....But that means you're voluntarily choosing to be ignorant of the topic.



TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:But I can't take someones claims of being a child seriously regardless of if there's medical tests involved or not when they look like this. And I can bet my shiny Porsche on that he isn't gonna be under 25 in a medical test, so if it gives 2-3 years wrong then who cares it won't change his fate...


I'm not arguing that some aren't trying to deceive the system. I'm pointing out that your claim that it's 3/4th of them is false and based on a willful misrepresentation of your government's report. And since that claim is the basis of your second claim, your argument falls apartment.



TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:Also it really is just Swedish doctors who think it's unethical and wrong to do medical age tests. All nabouring countries (Finland, Norway, Denmark) do medical age tests if immigrants age can't be established in other ways. And you don't see doctors in those countries screaming it can give 2-3 years wrong or that it's unethical.


I did not say "unethical and wrong". I said that the screenings are voluntary. Because they involve X-rays and an MRI which are both intrusive medical procedures.

No one is "screaming" about the margin of error. It's a scientific consensus. There is no sure fire way to medically determine someone's age and the method being used in particular here has a wide margin of error. None of this is a mystery. 30 seconds on Google would tell you this.




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And no Friatider really isn't in any way like Brietbart and yes I'm well aware that the swedish government who hates old people and woman think they are. But they think anything and everything just slightly more right then they themselves are is down right nazi. And Stormfront is a nazi political party who provides news that follow their agenda. There are multiple far right news sources and parties in sweden, some shut down and some that remain active.


Friatider has a fairly clear bent and are peddling a false story to suit their narrative. Hence comparing them to Breitbart.

I am referring to Stormfront the website. If you likewise have a Stormfront political party you have my sincere sympathies.



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Honestly I don't really keep track of who is shut down and who isn't shut down or if they've changed name as I don't subscribe to their political ideology (like you seem to think based on your reply).


Because I am critical of a tabloid level story you linked you think I'm implying you're a Nazi? -.-



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Yup. And i've chosen to stay out of this one. Cant be bothered going at it with them on this one. They make some good points and debates at times but at times, oh my gosh its mr and mrs know it all or they're just very set in concrete. As far as they would both never dare say ANYTHING bad about Islam or a refugee or an illiegal alien or etc. In typical left wing fashion.
And i mean no matter what. Both pretty selective about what parts of history they care about also. So it would seem.


The only thing I have done here is committed the apparent cardinal sin of actually reading the reports from the Swedish government.

I apologize for having the skepticism and intellectual curiosity to make sure I went and learned about a topic before talking about it. In the future I will attempt to remain willfully ignorant and swallow whatever some random website tells me to think. But I can't promise anything.

I also humbly apologize for having the common sense, pragmatism and humanity to not condemn 1.6 billion people for the actions of a handful. In the future I will attempt to suppress a natural inclination towards compassion for my fellow human beings and instead go with blind hatred and tribalism.

But again, I can't promise anything. -.-





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I'm not arguing that some aren't trying to deceive the system. I'm pointing out that your claim that it's 3/4th of them is false and based on a willful misrepresentation of your government's report. And since that claim is the basis of your second claim, your argument falls apartment.



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I did not say "unethical and wrong". I said that the screenings are voluntary. Because they involve X-rays and an MRI which are both intrusive medical procedures.

No one is "screaming" about the margin of error. It's a scientific consensus. There is no sure fire way to medically determine someone's age and the method being used in particular here has a wide margin of error. None of this is a mystery. 30 seconds on Google would tell you this.

I know nobody in this thread is screaming about it. But I assumed you got that information from sweden's doctor assosian (or whatever their english name is) where there are doctors in Sweden screaming about it while doctors in other countries seem to be 100% ok with doing it.

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Friatider has a fairly clear bent and are peddling a false story to suit their narrative. Hence comparing them to Breitbart.

I am referring to Stormfront the website. If you likewise have a Stormfront political party you have my sincere sympathies.


Every media source will bend news to fit their narrative. The truth isn't right or left, it's somewhere in the middle and I choose to trust the center right point of view.

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Because I am critical of a tabloid level story you linked you think I'm implying you're a Nazi? -.-



No I said the Sweden's social democratic government (who hates old people and woman) considers/thinks everything just slightly more right then them are nazi's. I mean have you looked at a political debate in Sweden, it's a billion times worse then the shitshow Hillary and Trump offered last year.

And I also just clarified my stance on immigration.



runec wrote:
The only thing I have done here is committed the apparent cardinal sin of actually reading the reports from the Swedish government.

I apologize for having the skepticism and intellectual curiosity to make sure I went and learned about a topic before talking about it. In the future I will attempt to remain willfully ignorant and swallow whatever some random website tells me to think. But I can't promise anything.

I also humbly apologize for having the common sense, pragmatism and humanity to not condemn 1.6 billion people for the actions of a handful. In the future I will attempt to suppress a natural inclination towards compassion for my fellow human beings and instead go with blind hatred and tribalism.

But again, I can't promise anything. -.-


Yea MrAnimeSK left a really uncalled for reply, if I knew he would say that then I wouldn't have bother posting that original post

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I know nobody in this thread is screaming about it. But I assumed you got that information from sweden's doctor assosian (or whatever their english name is) where there are doctors in Sweden screaming about it while doctors in other countries seem to be 100% ok with doing it.


No, I got that information by looking up the procedure itself to see how it was done and no, other countries aren't 100% okay with doing it. It's seen as a last resort and even then its medically controversial because of its inaccuracy. From what I understand it was implemented in Sweden in response to political pressure. Not because it was it was a foolproof method.

But again, I'm not saying there aren't people trying to game the system by claiming to be minors. I'm pointing out that the claim in question, that it's 3/4th of all refugee children, is BS that's being peddled by anti-immigrant groups. Because, again, the report is about unaccompanied minors whom Swedish immigration already suspected were 18 or older. Then from that group, only those willing to submit to the medical age screening. Under Swedish immigration guidelines, the burden of proof rests on the unaccompanied minor to prove they are under 18. So if they don't submit to the screening they are considered at least 18 and thus not a minor.

The sample size of the report is only 581. From what I understand, Sweden has had 25,000-35,000 "unaccompanied minor" claims per year as the refugee crisis ramped up. So this is no where near a representative sample.




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Every media source will bend news to fit their narrative. The truth isn't right or left, it's somewhere in the middle and I choose to trust the center right point of view.


There's a difference between bending and lying though. This story isn't bending the truth, it's outright lying to push an ideological agenda.



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No I said the Sweden's social democratic government (who hates old people and woman) considers/thinks everything just slightly more right then them are nazi's. I mean have you looked at a political debate in Sweden, it's a billion times worse then the shitshow Hillary and Trump offered last year.


I don't know man, the US election was a tremendous shit show. Just the best shit show. No one has ever had a shit show like this one before. >.>

Posted 6/19/17 , edited 6/19/17

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Tell the parents you will only deport the heads of the children that refuse to go back.

Once you treat the first 100 that way, the rest will recover.

Then send them back, ALL of them.

They already have a homeland to call their own.

Syria for the Syrians, Sweden for the Swedish.





Um... Did you just say kill children
Okay Richard Spencer
Also for many (Assyrian Christians anti Assad, Sufis, Kurds, Shias in Daesh areas, disabled persons, anyone who hates Daesh) their homeland rejected them and no don't tell them to go to another middle east country many find they would rather die than what happens there
http://theconversation.com/syrian-refugees-in-lebanon-are-falling-into-slavery-and-exploitation-57521
Also for those complaining about economic refugees hit it Lin Manuel


https://youtu.be/9iYPiABToSo
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More examples that telling the truth offends people. And that in telling the truth(there is evidence and statistics to back it up) you get accused of labling an entire race or religion or being a racist and bla bla bla.

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