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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/19/north-london-van-incident-finsbury-park-casualties-collides-pedestrians-live-updates

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/18/europe/urgent---london-vehicle-collision/index.html


This story is still developing but as of now we know a van deliberately ran into worshipers as they left a mosque, and perpetrator is in custody.
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Not really a surprise. Was expected (to me anyhow) that some people would eventually take the law into their own hands and that some would seek revenge.
Hate breeds hate. Extremisim breeds extremisim and retaliation.
Cant see this problem going away anytime soon.
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The utter dismissal people have with the lives of their fellow man is honestly disgusting. It seems like every fucking day I hear about a psycho who killing innocent people for bullshit reasons. Hell, even this very forum sees users advocating that people they don't like be put to death. As usual my sympathies are with the families of those who have been lost , but sadly I fear this may be another incident where the authorities had been informed of how dangerous the culprit was and did nothing, just like with the guy who bombed the Ariana Grande concert.
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Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families
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The utter dismissal people have with the lives of their fellow man is honestly disgusting. It seems like every fucking day I hear about a psycho who killing innocent people for bullshit reasons. Hell, even this very forum sees users advocating that people they don't like be put to death. As usual my sympathies are with the families of those who have been lost , but sadly I fear this may be another incident where the authorities had been informed of how dangerous the culprit was and did nothing, just like with the guy who bombed the Ariana Grande concert.


Precisely, and of course AnimeSK shows up and tells us how this is "taking the law into their own hands." Because, of course all Muslims are guilty so we might as well murder them indiscriminately right?
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octorockandroll wrote:

The utter dismissal people have with the lives of their fellow man is honestly disgusting. It seems like every fucking day I hear about a psycho who killing innocent people for bullshit reasons. Hell, even this very forum sees users advocating that people they don't like be put to death. As usual my sympathies are with the families of those who have been lost , but sadly I fear this may be another incident where the authorities had been informed of how dangerous the culprit was and did nothing, just like with the guy who bombed the Ariana Grande concert.


Precisely, and of course AnimeSK shows up and tells us how this is "taking the law into their own hands." Because, of course all Muslims are guilty so we might as well murder them indiscriminately right?


He isn't wrong, in the minds of anyone who does these sorts of atrocities to push an agenda they probably are some sort of glorious Batman figure or some shit. Like he said, hate breeds hate and the cycle of violence is only gonna keep going until an outside force breaks the inertia.

On the other hand, I very much doubt he would be singing the same tune if it were a muslim man driving into a church, but that is neither here nor there.
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rawratl wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

The utter dismissal people have with the lives of their fellow man is honestly disgusting. It seems like every fucking day I hear about a psycho who killing innocent people for bullshit reasons. Hell, even this very forum sees users advocating that people they don't like be put to death. As usual my sympathies are with the families of those who have been lost , but sadly I fear this may be another incident where the authorities had been informed of how dangerous the culprit was and did nothing, just like with the guy who bombed the Ariana Grande concert.


Precisely, and of course AnimeSK shows up and tells us how this is "taking the law into their own hands." Because, of course all Muslims are guilty so we might as well murder them indiscriminately right?


He isn't wrong, in the minds of anyone who does these sorts of atrocities to push an agenda they probably are some sort of glorious Batman figure or some shit. Like he said, hate breeds hate and the cycle of violence is only gonna keep going until an outside force breaks the inertia.

On the other hand, I very much doubt he would be singing the same tune if it were a muslim man driving into a church, but that is neither here nor there.


True enough, maybe I should cut him some slack here. Honestly not much is known at this point. It could just be a drunk driver who happened to do run into a crowd. I doubt it, but it's possible.
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octorockandroll wrote:


rawratl wrote:

Precisely, and of course AnimeSK shows up and tells us how this is "taking the law into their own hands." Because, of course all Muslims are guilty so we might as well murder them indiscriminately right?


He isn't wrong, in the minds of anyone who does these sorts of atrocities to push an agenda they probably are some sort of glorious Batman figure or some shit. Like he said, hate breeds hate and the cycle of violence is only gonna keep going until an outside force breaks the inertia.

On the other hand, I very much doubt he would be singing the same tune if it were a muslim man driving into a church, but that is neither here nor there.


True enough, maybe I should cut him some slack here. Honestly not much is known at this point. It could just be a drunk driver who happened to do run into a crowd. I doubt it, but it's possible.


Possibly, I mean we do so far know exactly nothing about this guy, but I don't think any of us are gonna be surprised. If it were any other city I'd probly be more open minded, but with the recent events in london its not hard to make a connection.
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i hope it's not staged....

Fake hate crime: Black guy stages ‘white America’ hate crime on refugee’s store - TomoNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_hk4Xs50JA

I would wait for all the facts first.


Are they family members/friends/love ones of the victims of those terrorist attacks? extremists (which side?)? etc..
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Precisely, and of course AnimeSK shows up and tells us how this is "taking the law into their own hands." Because, of course all Muslims are guilty so we might as well murder them indiscriminately right?


lol well i think alot of people in the UK feel that the authorities are not doing enough so yes, i would call this as "taking the law into your own hands".
And the bloke killed Muslims. The Muslims were the victims in this case so what are you on about?
Pretty much this is taking the law into your own hands. I have to look into this story more but i dont think this was a killing(s) in the name of god (like how it is with the Muslim extreminsts) i believe that this is someone deciding that if the authoroties wont do anything to protect us than i will?
I mean it could just be someone who hates Muslims but to me it would appear to be someone deciding to act on their own because they do not feel the police or governments will do anything about it(the Muslim threat).
It's an extreme act but i dont think it was done in the name of god/gods law. Iam assuming it was someone deciding that enough is enough iam taking the law into my own hands.

Of course we will find out more later.
I do have to look into it more though. Like was this mosque under question for preaching hate and extremism or was it a completely random act?
Were people who attended this mosque linked in anyway to any of the recent terror acts?
Was the perpetrator related to a victim? was he Christian? (but again i doubt it was religiously motivated as far as him commiting the act in the name of god) , etc
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I wonder if this guy had relatives killed in the previous attacks.
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London's burning in more ways than one!
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Not really a surprise. Was expected (to me anyhow) that some people would eventually take the law into their own hands and that some would seek revenge.
Hate breeds hate. Extremisim breeds extremisim and retaliation.
Cant see this problem going away anytime soon.


How quick you are to assume this was "islamophobic" retribution.

Most terrorism against muslims is by other muslims, who attack them for being the "wrong kind" of muslim. Why was this mosque targeted? It's as likely at this point that it was a moderate mosque known to have supported nonviolence and denouncement of terrorism (and targeted by islamist extremists because of that) as it is to have been targeted by a pissed-off englishman who hates muslims.

Curiously, the only descriptions I have found for the attacker is that it was a 48-year-old male, but nothing about name, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation.... I'm sure that will come out eventually.
Posted 6/18/17
Archive of the wiki page for the mosque
http://archive.is/jRCKO


Former terrorism links
Al Qaeda operatives including "shoebomber" Richard Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui attended the mosque.[7] In 2002, The Guardian reported that weapons training had taken place inside the building.[8]
The mosque rose to notoriety after Abu Hamza al-Masri became Imam of the Mosque, due to his extremist ideologies and views on terrorism.[9] However, in 2003 the Mosque was raided by the Police and shut down. It was then reclaimed in 2005 by the local Muslim community with the help of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB). A new board of trustees was installed and completely transformed the Mosque from a hostile place to a friendly and cohesive environment where all members from the local community and wider society were accepted and welcomed regardless of their faith and background.[10]
In 2014, HSBC bank closed Finsbury Park Mosque's bank account. This was due to reported links to terrorism before 2005, based on information provided by the Thomson Reuters news agency. However, the mosque then filed a legal case against Thomson Reuters and won in 2017, with Reuters being required to issue an apology and pay damages.[11][12]
According to classified American documents, released by Wikileaks, Finsbury Park mosque previously served "as a haven" for Islamic extremists who subsequently fought against allied forces in Afghanistan.[13]
Wood Green ricin plot
In 2003, over one hundred armed police raided the building as part of the investigation into the alleged Wood Green ricin plot.[14] Abu Hamza al-Masri was eventually jailed for seven years in 2006 after being convicted of inciting murder and race hate. Later, he was deported to the United States to face justice for terrorism charges after a ten-year battle in the British courts based on his "indefinite leave to remain in the UK", which was granted to him by the previous Conservative government. He was eventually sentenced to life in prison.[15]
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Curiously, the only descriptions I have found for the attacker is that it was a 48-year-old male, but nothing about name, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation.... I'm sure that will come out eventually.


http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/19/first-pictures-of-suspect-in-finsbury-park-terror-attack-on-muslim-worshippers-6718165/

It looks like a crotchety Englishman in the videos but we'll see when we get a good mugshot.

On the upside, he didn't manage to kill himself and the crowd showed remarkable restraint in not beating him to death in the street.

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