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Post Reply Otto Warmbier, student arrest in North Korea has passed away
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Posted 6/20/17 , edited 6/20/17
I feel bad for the guy but

going to North Korea on vacation is like smashing yourself over the head with a hammer. No one to blame but yourself
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"I went to North Korea and broke their laws knowing how severe punishment is for the slightest thing"...

Yeah, I don't feel bad. Stupid people doing stupid things as always.
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iriomote wrote:

Even if it isn't in the fashion which anyone wanted, at least he'd made it home.


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Saw an article that tour groups are no longer taking US citizens to North Korea or something because of this.

It's always baffled me that tour groups will take U.S. citizens into places like North Korea. It's a country that is actively hostile toward the U.S., and with a well-known record of periodically snatching foreigners to use as bargaining chips for flimsy or entirely fabricated reasons.

Of course, it also baffles me that there are people who want to go there. It's fine to have an appreciation for seeing the far corners of the world, but visiting certain places is like playing Russian roulette.

*Edit: Typo.


They take you after explaining: "Don't do stupid shit"

And if you do decide to be an idiot, that's on you. Many people from the US go and come back just fine, because they behave. Americans don't come to England and start waving around their guns they're allowed at home because they know they'll end up in jail. Tourists to NK are warned about the severe penalties for petty crime; if they decide to commit a crime then well done to them. Enjoy your trip to the forced labour camp.

Why you'd want to steal a propaganda poster, I don't know. I'm pretty sure they sell them to foreigners that visit.
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He might have tried killing himself by suffocation. It adds up to the lack of brain tissue. Just a theory.

I really hate victim blaming but why North Korea? So many beautiful places to visit around the globe and he chooses the drab N. Korea. I'm guessing he did it for the thrill of going to such a risky country.
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To answer all of the future Edgar Cayce's present in this thread, hindsight is always 20/20.
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mastersensenpai wrote:

Why you'd want to steal a propaganda poster, I don't know. I'm pretty sure they sell them to foreigners that visit.


Besides the fact that stealing a propaganda poster could be considered an act of aggression against the government. To those of us in countries that allow a certain level of free speech, taking down a propaganda poster may be a fairly minor crime. But it is entirely different in a country where there is no free speech, the people are repressed, the government has restricted almost all freedoms, and the government regularly controls the message through force and threat of force.
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mastersensenpai wrote:
Why you'd want to steal a propaganda poster, I don't know. I'm pretty sure they sell them to foreigners that visit.

It's possible that the charge was made up. I mean, I wouldn't put it past North Korea to just nab someone at random and make up a charge just to make a political statement or get a bargaining chip. And while I don't recall the details of his confession, I remember thinking that some of the stuff he said sounded like things he was being forced to say.



zangeif123 wrote:

He might have tried killing himself by suffocation. It adds up to the lack of brain tissue. Just a theory.


If that was the case, they'd probably have found marks or other signs of trauma on his neck during the autopsy, which doesn't appear to be the case.
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Posted 6/20/17

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

To answer all of the future Edgar Cayce's present in this thread, hindsight is always 20/20.


I don't think you need to visit North Korea to think "I wish I didn't visit North Korea."
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xxJing wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

To answer all of the future Edgar Cayce's present in this thread, hindsight is always 20/20.


I don't think you need to visit North Korea to think "I wish I didn't visit North Korea."

I don't think it takes a genius to realize torture is not an equivalent exchange of punishment for petit theft of the second degree.
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Mishio1 wrote:

It's possible that the charge was made up. I mean, I wouldn't put it past North Korea to just nab someone at random and make up a charge just to make a political statement or get a bargaining chip. And while I don't recall the details of his confession, I remember thinking that some of the stuff he said sounded like things he was being forced to say.



That is entirely possible, and something I was thinking of as well. Still, if you even just enter North Korea as a US citizen, you should have every expectation that you may be tortured and killed. We already know that much about the cruelty of the regime.
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Ugh, it's tragic and I'm not without sympathy but I do also have to agree: Why North Korea of all places?
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

I don't think it takes a genius to realize torture is not an equivalent exchange of punishment for petit theft of the second degree.


Such a thing would be petty theft in the US, but not in N. Korea. In N. Korea, it would be considered sedition. In fact, he was charged for crimes against the state. It is a serious deal in such a nation that it using strict information control to remove a propaganda poster. Whether he actually did it not is unknown and not something we will truly find out, as N. Korea has very strict information control, but if he did the crime is extremely serious.
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runec wrote:

Ugh, it's tragic and I'm not without sympathy but I do also have to agree: Why North Korea of all places?


Because Syria was all booked up?
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Because Syria was all booked up?


Syria is still open for tourism.

Let that sink in for a moment. ><
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Mishio1 ~ It's possible that the charge was made up.


I think there is a security cam video that shows, ostensibly, him taking down the banner. And before anyone says it, do you really think the govt would go to all that trouble just to frame some random tourist?
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