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UFO, have you seen one?
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I have now what was interesting is that since 1997 I been looking at all public records for all civilian and military aircraft since 97 and nothing has come close to what I seen. I was camping at mt Rainer in 97 and around 2:45am when I was on my way to the bathroom I first noticed how quiet it got because all the nature stopped making noise and a park ranger said if that happens that means either mt Rainer is going to blow or there is a massive mud slide coming down so I was quit concerned. I happen to look up and saw a slow nearly stationary solid black triangle that made no noise it was completely silent. Also it was big at least 2000ft by 2000ft. Then it slowly moved off into the direction of mt hood and disappeared. From what I saw it had no engines no weapon system no radar no landing gear bay no pilot no electronics. The entire b52 squadron could land on this aircraft and still have room for all its equipment and support personal. It has bothered from to today and I have lost a few friends when I told them what I saw. It also changed my entire perspective on religion technology and our place in the universe. I am pretty sure its related to the phoenix wave incident to because of the timing and similar design including similar to the mass sighting event in Belgium.


Speaking about timing, the Roswell incident, which happened in 1947 was closely followed by the invention of semi-conductor in the winter of 1947, which became the computer we are using today.


P.S I have doubts but I do not intend to cause a chaos, more on that moe currency thread posted by me


Are you implying that they picked apart a spacecraft capable of interstellar travel and the best they could come up with was a truck-sized calculator? That's some pretty shoddy reverse-engineering if you ask me.


We'll need to ask the Bell Lab and those that came up with the electrical engineering department. You mean, of all those years of computer classes I took and they are not even earth bound?


P.S Well, it's not like I've seen the original design lol, we are constantly making semi-conductors smaller, but is it necessarily a better way of design? The computer graphic is definitely impressive though as of recent years. After all, making chips smaller means more processing power.

P.S On top of that the computer should be made of memory metal alloy, so you can throw it against the ground and it still works lol
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Bu...bu...but you just identified it. It's called the black knight satellite, right? So it's no longer a UFO, it's just FO.


Giving something a nickname isn't really a identification of what exactly it is.
Some people claim it's 15,000 years old and was put there to spy on us. Others say it's a bit of space junk even though it's kinda too big and chunky to be off anything we have put up there.

It's nickname is black knight satellite because it looks like the chess piece and it orbits the planet. That core info doesn't really identify what it is to me other then it's been given a name. :p

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I personally have not seen one but I always got the feeling that it's there, how about you guys?


Never seen one. Don´t think I´ll see one, but it would be kind of kewl :P


Rewind the time by 30 years, where computers have not got into 3D, really makes you wonder where those dreams come from


There´s a thought O.o
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Let's see, so that AT&T Bell Labs has the information and the original craft should still be somewhere. Which means more technology could be coming out. Nintendo, Sanders Associates, and we make alien spacecraft into video games, very healthy . Somewhere on the north east coast is where the space craft is kept?
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Seen one but I'm 90% sure that was just a government aircraft that is undisclosed to public knowledge.

On the other hand do I believe "real UFO's" (whatever that really means) are physical tangible type craft? No.

Do I believe aliens "or ET's" are physical 3rd dimensional beings? Nope.

Do I believe the human mind has the capability of creating experiences as real as reality is to us? Yup.

Do I believe there are answers and perspectives of looking at this that we haven't even conceived of? Yes.

Do I believe I can explain what "they" are from such a limited perspective? Definitely not.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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I thought I saw one! years ago I was walking down my street and glanced up and saw a tiny silver orb waaaay up in the sky. I thought "WTF" and looked up again but couldn't find it. Could have been a weather balloon buuuuut... IDK guess that's why they call them UFO's am I right
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Guldfisk1986 wrote:


fredreload wrote:


gsm642 wrote:

I have now what was interesting is that since 1997 I been looking at all public records for all civilian and military aircraft since 97 and nothing has come close to what I seen. I was camping at mt Rainer in 97 and around 2:45am when I was on my way to the bathroom I first noticed how quiet it got because all the nature stopped making noise and a park ranger said if that happens that means either mt Rainer is going to blow or there is a massive mud slide coming down so I was quit concerned. I happen to look up and saw a slow nearly stationary solid black triangle that made no noise it was completely silent. Also it was big at least 2000ft by 2000ft. Then it slowly moved off into the direction of mt hood and disappeared. From what I saw it had no engines no weapon system no radar no landing gear bay no pilot no electronics. The entire b52 squadron could land on this aircraft and still have room for all its equipment and support personal. It has bothered from to today and I have lost a few friends when I told them what I saw. It also changed my entire perspective on religion technology and our place in the universe. I am pretty sure its related to the phoenix wave incident to because of the timing and similar design including similar to the mass sighting event in Belgium.


Speaking about timing, the Roswell incident, which happened in 1947 was closely followed by the invention of semi-conductor in the winter of 1947, which became the computer we are using today.


P.S I have doubts but I do not intend to cause a chaos, more on that moe currency thread posted by me


Are you implying that they picked apart a spacecraft capable of interstellar travel and the best they could come up with was a truck-sized calculator? That's some pretty shoddy reverse-engineering if you ask me.


"Are you implying that they picked apart a spacecraft capable of interstellar travel"

Are you implying that theoretically intelligent alien life that had advanced enough technology that could make the travel possible... actually traveled millions and millions of miles just to see what good old planet earth and it's monkeys are doing? If they were sufficiently advanced and willing to spend that much time and energy in getting here, they would want to do more than secretly abduct people, flash bright lights at night, and steal our cows.

I don't doubt the possibility of that scenario existing I just have my qualms about that line of thought.

I'd like you to entertain that these phenomena or "beings" could be spiritual or extra-dimensional in nature.

Let us look at some of their "Extra"terrestrial/"Extra"dimensional properties

The method by which they maneuver appears to defy the laws of physics? Traveling faster than "the speed of light" in order to traverse the vast distances of the cosmos to reach our civilization?

Should not be able to travel faster than the speed of light. Check.

Changing directions mid-flight without an apparent slowing in speed?

Not affected by aerodynamics? Check

Apparent ability to "appear and disappear" from our reality seemingly at whim?

Not affected by time and space? Check


Now these examples are a problem to the person who looks at these situations with the perspective in mind that these "occurences" are done by other "beings" limited by the laws and rules of the third dimension. A creature that is "fourth dimensional" has no problem in creating these events as they are unbound and unlimited by the rules of the third dimension. It has been theorized that our reality includes more dimensions that are not perceivable to us as human beings living inside the third dimension. Here's an example in a video by Carl Sagan that gives a thought experiment that presents the listener an example for understanding what an interaction between a higher dimensional creature would seem like to a lower dimensional creature.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrS_4HU7Anc

Not trying to convince anyone, just a bit of food for thought.



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i really hope i never will see one
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~ I read it. What I think you're failing to take into account is that all the apparent defiance of physical laws is possible through the manipulation of gravity. A machine capable of exerting a localized gravitational field would be able to 'dish' the space around itself, meaning anything inside that field behaves relativistic to things outside the field. Sudden changes in direction or velocity would seem leisurely to those in the craft because time passes differently within a relativistic space.. This is why dark matter is so intriguing: it simulates the gravitational effect of massive bodies such as planets while occupying zero volume. You do not have to exceed light speed in relativistic space to travel vast distances in short periods of time because, by dishing the space around yourself, you are effectively bringing your destination to you. Ugh. This stuff is hard to explain. As for why aliens would bother to come check us out ... if you knew there was a living world out there, wouldn't you like to go check it out? For them to come see what we're up to is pretty much like what taking a trip to Yellowstone is for us
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Since UFO just means unidentified flying object, yes. I have seen many things that were flying and I couldn't tell what they were.
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~ I read it. What I think you're failing to take into account is that all the apparent defiance of physical laws is possible through the manipulation of gravity. A machine capable of exerting a localized gravitational field would be able to 'dish' the space around itself, meaning anything inside that field behaves relativistic to things outside the field. Sudden changes in direction or velocity would seem leisurely to those in the craft because time passes differently within a relativistic space.. This is why dark matter is so intriguing: it simulates the gravitational effect of massive bodies such as planets while occupying zero volume. You do not have to exceed light speed in relativistic space to travel vast distances in short periods of time because, by dishing the space around yourself, you are effectively bringing your destination to you. Ugh. This stuff is hard to explain. As for why aliens would bother to come check us out ... if you knew there was a living world out there, wouldn't you like to go check it out? For them to come see what we're up to is pretty much like what taking a trip to Yellowstone is for us


Taking that into consideration I see how there could be another angle towards the possibility of interstellar travel. I'm not opposed to the possibility of that being the case and as such have not decided that one angle of viewing this issue is set in stone. But to further discussion and play with this thought experiment.

Lets suppose that these aliens were sufficiently advanced in technology to the point where they could bend and warp space-time so as to gain access to interstellar travel. And by the use of their advanced "tech" they reached us with the curiosity that you mentioned might be akin to one of our scientists going to Yellowstone and checking it out.

Okay given all that this race or group of super advanced beings traveled all across the universe (could be a couple light years could be millions) to reach us in what could of taken a fraction of the time we might estimate it would take. After achieving all that we take into considerations peoples "first hand" reports of the phenomena we call "abduction". Many of these occurrences are congruent with each other in what the people experienced. Many times people report that they have been surgically or medically worked on and they describe pain and sometimes there is even physical evidence in the form of a scar or an object implanted inside of these people left behind.


Now let me present to you another reason I doubt they are super advanced and intelligent beings. We are taking into consideration the premise that people who have experienced "abductions" are actually telling the truth as we examine this train of thought further.

If these beings were extremely advanced to the point where they can bend time and space to their will. Would they not be as advanced to be able to do some surgical procedures on human beings without causing pain or leaving a scar/mark? I mean us humans who are not all that advanced by any universal measure can operate on people without them feeling pain through the use of anesthesia. Could a proposed civilization as advanced as them not do this as well?

We humans can operate and leave little to no traces of what surgical procedures were done after the fact and you think a race/group multiple times as advanced as us hasn't figured out how to do this? Should we not expect them to have advanced as far as us in the medical field if they can bend time and space to travel to the other side of the universe.

Why is it that some of the "abductee" individuals have their memories wiped of these phenomena and others remember? Are they not advanced enough that they fail to wipe the memories of these people a small percentage of the time? Are they purposefully letting a small percentage of our population become aware of the "curiosity" of a alien from a galaxy far farr away?

These questions are ones to ponder about when considering the possibilities.

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In regards to bending time and space

If we consider that these beings are achieving this through the use of a wormhole we must also consider that in order for these beings to bend space in that manner, they would need to traverse an extra dimension. This would require them to have inter-dimensional capabilities. They could still be from our third dimension universe and accomplish this feat. Though the probability of that happening is slim. It is currently impossible for us to achieve this, and in no way does that mean some other civilization hasn't reached the point where they could. But what i'm saying is if they are that sufficiently advanced our "human experiment" here on earth would be as trivial as a drop of water in the ocean.

Quoted from Michio Kaku

“However, with the wormhole and multiply connected spaces, we are probing the very limits of Einstein’s theory of general relativity. In fact, the amount of matter-energy necessary to create a wormhole or dimensional gateway is so large that we expect quantum effects to dominate. Quantum corrections, in turn, may actually close the opening of the wormhole, making travel through the gateway impossible”

That is one way to look at the possibility of explaining the phenomena

Another way would be to imagine the Flatland example once again and remember that if Flatlanders were real you could be standing in front of one and as long as you weren't within it's two dimensional field of vision it would never know you existed. A third dimension being traveling to the second dimension would require no technology as we could simply invade the flatlanders space or pull them out into ours. A possible explanation could be that higher dimensional beings are unbound and unlimited by the rules of the third dimension because they come from a place with different physics than our own.

Now all of this is of course a thought experiment there would be no way at this point in time to scientifically prove a higher dimension and what it entails. Nor can we scientifically prove at this point in time that they can travel faster than the speed of light/circumvent the speed of light through an apparent defiance of physical laws through the manipulation of gravity/wormholes.

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