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My boss has a Tesla. It's amazing. I'd totally buy one.
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you still have to mine for materials -- the valid concern is what you do with all the old batteries ?

btw
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/8-key-questions-takata-bankruptcy-ongoing-airbag-recall/

even Telsa and Ferrari are on the list

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No, but I may be working in a Telsa plant soon, in Nevada.v Not as a Telsa employee, but with building a Telsa building. I don't know the details.
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Sure, since I wouldn't be using the currently illegal for non-test vehicles autodriving features anyway.

That being said no way I'd pay $35,000 for one, call me when they drop another 15k in price and then maybe I'd be somewhat interested.
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auroraloose ~ they still must get their energy elsewhere

...are you suggesting automobiles should produce their own energy? Charging a car with grid power, be it coal generated or otherwise, is exponentially less impactful than running a car on any combustible fluid, including vegetable oil ~ which burns phenomenally clean compared to petroleum based fuels. The grand thing about batteries is that their guts can be recycled, elements stripped out and reused with relatively little waste.

You will never have a zero impact mode of transportation, even bicycles require a steady stream of tires, brake pads, bearings, all of which require complex manufacturing processes and are thus impactful. Horses are zero impact, and so is subsistence farming, but you see my point. We will not stop building wind turbines and hydroelectric dams simply because they, like every other thing we manufacture, have requirements. Show me a coal plant that is maintenance-free and has no material needs outside the fuel that it uses.

Politics be damned. We are not building alternative means of energy, or electric cars, because of some cynical Liberal conspiracy. There is a need, unfortunately, and it is rooted in an issue that we can either acknowledge now, or wait until we are left no choice but to forfeit our ignorance. That is not something our species can afford.

Back to the subject at hand, we did build cars that literally generate their own power. They were only prototypes, who's concept was never pursued for obvious reasons. I present to you the fission~driven 'Nuclear Cars'


That's not how it works. When I said that electric cars must get their energy elsewhere, I meant the power grid. So the only way electric cars are better for the environment is if building electric cars and generating the cars' energy from the power grid is more environmentally favorable than continuing to power them with gas. That is the correct comparison: between all the processes necessary to produce gasoline, along with the impact of burning the gasoline, and the processes necessary to make an electric car and the energy it uses. As it turns out, the rare metals necessary for things like efficient solar panels and super-batteries are expensive, and expensive to mine. Shifting the energy requirements from gasoline to power plants doesn't do anything if the power plants aren't any better than gasoline - and until we switch primarily to nuclear fission plants, that won't be the case for a while.

You understand all this somewhat, as you mention ball bearings and whatnot, but enough of what you said is nonsense that I'm not sure you actually understand: Horses do not have zero impact; you have to feed them, they take up land, they require stables, they can't go very far at all, and so forth. You have to consider the whole package. Also, while it may be the case that vegetable oil burns "phenomenally clean compared to petroleum-based fuels", if vegetable oil cars were viable we'd already be using them. They're very much not.

I'm afraid all of this comes from the real world, not Alex Jones's fever dreams. And anyone ignoring reality does indeed have motives other than the environmental.
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^^^
I see your platform is rooted in unreality.

A stable will last long enough that the timber used to build it will have been replenished by the time it needs to be replaced.
Horses were wild before we domesticated them. Their entire diet is stuff that grows naturally. Horses are effectively zero impact.

But that wasn't even my point.

Did you actually read what you quoted, because most of your arguments are addressed therein.

I suppose you think petroleum fuels are less impactful because the infrastructure is already in place. Fact is, and this is an easy one, we already have a grid. The infrastructure is already here for plug in cars, and taking everything into account the ratio of waste involved is miniscule next to the process for drilling, transporting, refining, then transporting again petroleum to be burned by a machine which runs at only 15-20% thermal efficiency. That's right, more than 80% of the gas your car burns isn't actually doing anything to move it forward.

Your focus on expenses indicates faulty prioritization. You conveniently ignore the fact that petroleum requires an immense global infrastructure which can only be maintained at immense cost. This arrangement is dirtier and more wasteful than mining for minerals to make batteries. Nobody said it was clean. The total waste differential between charging & driving a car with energy from the grid as opposed to running one on gasoline for the same distance is staggering ..

Convenience comes with sacrifice. How much we must sacrifice depends on how smart we can be. With the right choices, we can minimize the sacrifice and keep the convenience. What's so hard about that?
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dulun18 wrote:

let's just say by some miracle we all can afford it would you buy one ?




Tesla Model 3 -- 35K

More people can own it at this price range-- so we will have more data regarding reliability about the car


http://www.consumerreports.org/tesla-model-3/tesla-model-3-production-ahead-of-schedule-first-car-due-this-week/




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