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Can someone help me understand what a totalitarian society is like?
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Man, how did you get out of school without reading 1984?
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By reading some other crappy 'classic' literature that is basically unreadable.
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gornotck wrote:
By reading some other crappy 'classic' literature that is basically unreadable.


"Here's the part where we crush your young, naive spirit with dystopian hellscapes" is a required segment of English in Canadian schools. >.>

Orwell features rather prominently.
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gornotck wrote:
By reading some other crappy 'classic' literature that is basically unreadable.


"Here's the part where we crush your young, naive spirit with dystopian hellscapes" is a required segment of English in Canadian schools. >.>

Orwell features rather prominently.


I think most school systems that teach English have that as a requirement.

Then again, they actually do enjoy things like Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flies, Brave New World, 1984, and whatever other miserable dreck they can shove off. Claim that they have 'meaning' and are 'thought evoking'.
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Man, how did you get out of school without reading 1984?


Don't know.
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gornotck wrote:
Then again, they actually do enjoy things like Animal Farm, Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flies, Brave New World, 1984, and whatever other miserable dreck they can shove off. Claim that they have 'meaning' and are 'thought evoking'.


You're calling Orwell dreck? >.>



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Don't know.


Weird. Didn't they make you read anything Orwell? Animal Farm and 1984 are basically required reading. Then yes, of course, Lord of the Flies for good measure not to mention fun additions like The Crucible. The Diary of Anne Frank, of course. Then if you're really lucky you get The Handmaid's Tale as well to crush any last vestiges of innocence you might have.

I'm trying to remember anything we had to read that wasn't horrifying on some level. >.>




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Weird. Didn't they make you read anything Orwell? Animal Farm and 1984 are basically required reading. Then yes, of course, Lord of the Flies for good measure not to mention fun additions like The Crucible. The Diary of Anne Frank, of course. Then if you're really lucky you get The Handmaid's Tale as well to crush any last vestiges of innocence you might have.

I'm trying to remember anything we had to read that wasn't horrifying on some level. >.>




Probably, I just don't remember. My memory is fuzzy right now.
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Man, how did you get out of school without reading 1984?


Not required in American schools. From what I hear the thing is a redpill dispenser. Instead I "read" (googled) lord of the flies.
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qualeshia3 wrote:
Probably, I just don't remember. My memory is fuzzy right now.


Well, 1984 is a given. But I'd go with The Handmaid's Tale as well for something less abstract and more grounded.

Or watch the HBO adaption I suppose. Though I hear they made some changes to make it less bleak.

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Not required in American schools. From what I hear the thing is a redpill dispenser. Instead I "read" (googled) lord of the flies.


I can never get a handle on American schools because of the lack of unified federal standards. It seems like every state can just make up whatever the fark it wants. Even if it dooms a kids future chances at a secondary education.

I have three American friends across two different states and they've told me three completely different things about their high school curriculum. One didn't even spend any real time on WW2 because their school curriculum considered it "living history" and too close to modern history to bother going in-depth over. She was enough of a nerd to go read about it herself but her school didn't help.



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Not every state, though they do have an opinion, much as the (federal) Department of Education has an opinion. It's every school district. The curriculum is set well below city level.

Maybe even every individual school, but at some point there's a committee that sets at least overall standards, if not directly how you go about it.
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Rujikin wrote:
Not required in American schools. From what I hear the thing is a redpill dispenser. Instead I "read" (googled) lord of the flies.


I can never get a handle on American schools because of the lack of unified federal standards. It seems like every state can just make up whatever the fark it wants. Even if it dooms a kids future chances at a secondary education.

I have three American friends across two different states and they've told me three completely different things about their high school curriculum. One didn't even spend any real time on WW2 because their school curriculum considered it "living history" and too close to modern history to bother going in-depth over. She was enough of a nerd to go read about it herself but her school didn't help.





The Federal standard killed education here because it became learn to test instead of learning to gain knowledge.

Our history books ignore WW2 and instead focus on telling us how we were evil to the native americans and how we ruined the lives of black people. Really most of what America had done for the world is ignored and it focuses on how we were vile and evil during our founding and makes us remember a bunch of names/dates.

Its weird reading the propaganda in my old history books.
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The Federal standard killed education here because it became learn to test instead of learning to gain knowledge.

Our history books ignore WW2 and instead focus on telling us how we were evil to the native americans and how we ruined the lives of black people. Really most of what America had done for the world is ignored and it focuses on how we were vile and evil during our founding and makes us remember a bunch of names/dates.

Its weird reading the propaganda in my old history books.


Yeah, I've heard about the problems with standardized testing and rewarding memorizing the right answers over actually understanding the material.

You really don't learn much about WW2? That is exceedingly baffling. I've occasionally wondered if we don't learn more American history than you guys do sometimes. I mean, I still have some of my course outlines from high school and a quarter of my grade 12 history class was just studying the rise of the US as a superpower over the course of the 20th century.

We also studied propaganda, media bias and journalism ethics. ( Critical thinking, yo ).

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Can this be moved to Creative Corner if possible because I need some ideas for a story?


I've closed this since you apparently didn't want this to be a discussion topic but failed to notice that you'd put it in the wrong place for many hours.

If you want people to talk about a concept in a way that's more geared toward helping you with a story, then please make that more clear when you post, and put the thread in Creative Corner to start with.

Feel free to start a new topic regarding this in Creative Corner.



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