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Posted 6/25/17

uncletim wrote:


So you want the police acting like out of control thugs or you just don't mind as long as it's towards brown people?



Threatening to commit random acts of murder or actually carrying it out is not going to make the police more friendly.
In fact, I would say it makes them measurably less friendly. They already use videos of fatal attacks on officers in their training, no need to make them even more jumpy.

This officer was in the wrong. No need to threaten to kill innocent people just because all you can see is a uniform.

So answer the question do you think its fine to issue death threats and kill people of a certain group if individuals from said group act like an 'out of control thug'? Because that's what it sounds like.

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Posted 6/25/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:


So you want the police acting like out of control thugs or you just don't mind as long as it's towards brown people?



Threatening to commit random acts of murder or actually carrying it out is not going to make the police more friendly.
In fact, I would say it makes them measurably less friendly. They already use videos of fatal attacks on officers in their training, no need to make them even more jumpy.

This officer was in the wrong. No need to threaten to kill innocent people just because all you can see is a uniform.

So answer the question do you think its fine to issue death threats and kill people of a certain group if individuals from said group act like an 'out of control thug'? Because that's what it sounds like.



Why can't you see people are getting fed up and are at a point where they are not going to take it anymore "Kick a dog long enough sooner or later it's going to bite you"

and not a case of one bad apple ruining the rest it's a case of many bad apples being ignored by the apple farmer who just makes excuses and blames the oranges
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I should go to america and be a cop. Apparently I'd just be able to do whatever I want and shoot my gun off wherever and people would think the ones calling me out for it would be the assholes. Sounds like a fun time.


Just adding this to it, some of the cops don't even know the rights of the people they're supposed to protect. (or even read them their rights)
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Posted 6/25/17

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octorockandroll wrote:

I should go to america and be a cop. Apparently I'd just be able to do whatever I want and shoot my gun off wherever and people would think the ones calling me out for it would be the assholes. Sounds like a fun time.


Just adding this to it, some of the cops don't even know the rights of the people they're supposed to protect. (or even read them their rights)


Wait, really?

That's some genuinely scary shit.
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octorockandroll wrote:
Wait, really?

That's some genuinely scary shit.


Remember, in some places the ( elected ) sheriff can just straight up deputize any random asshole and give them a gun. Remember that one a couple years back? Lemme see if I can find it....

Here we go:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/robert-bates-imprisoned-tulsa-reserve-deputy-speaks-jail-cell-n587161

73 year old retired insurance executive with a gun and a badge because he donated a few thousand to the department and was friends with the sheriff. He had all of "hours" of training and accidentally killed someone because he mistakenly pulled his gun instead of his tazer.
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Posted 6/25/17

runec wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:
Wait, really?

That's some genuinely scary shit.


Remember, in some places the ( elected ) sheriff can just straight up deputize any random asshole and give them a gun. Remember that one a couple years back? Lemme see if I can find it....

Here we go:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/robert-bates-imprisoned-tulsa-reserve-deputy-speaks-jail-cell-n587161

73 year old retired insurance executive with a gun and a badge because he donated a few thousand to the department and was friends with the sheriff. He had all of "hours" of training and accidentally killed someone because he mistakenly pulled his gun instead of his tazer.


How the fuck do you make that kind of mistake? No really, I've held guns and tazers, but I have not held a gun that felt like a tazer, nor a tazer that felt like a gun. The fuck?
Posted 6/25/17

uncletim wrote:


Why can't you see people are getting fed up and are at a point where they are not going to take it anymore "Kick a dog long enough sooner or later it's going to bite you"


Dylan Roof had a similar logic when he committed his terror attack. Was that okay, just someone getting fed up?
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Posted 6/25/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:


Why can't you see people are getting fed up and are at a point where they are not going to take it anymore "Kick a dog long enough sooner or later it's going to bite you"


Dylan Roof had a similar logic when he committed his terror attack. Was that okay, just someone getting fed up?


Was Dylan Roof harassed and constantly unjustly profiled by church going black people for decades? You are so far out of the ballpark you're not even on the planet anymore
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:
Dylan Roof had a similar logic when he committed his terror attack. Was that okay, just someone getting fed up?


Every time I think you found the bottom of the barrel you push on through to new and exciting lows.

I suppose I can admire your dedication if nothing else. >.>





Posted 6/25/17 , edited 6/25/17

uncletim wrote:


Was Dylan Roof harassed and constantly unjustly profiled by church going black people for decades? You are so far out of the ballpark you're not even on the planet anymore


He was upset about rape and murder rates taken from FBI statistics. We don't know if or how much he was victimized by African Americans, would his actions be justified if he was?

Was Micah X Johnson and Gavin Long's attacks on police (and ironically people of their own race) justified? I don't think either of them had a significant history of being victimized by police either.

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runec wrote:

Every time I think you found the bottom of the barrel you push on through to new and exciting lows.

I suppose I can admire your dedication if nothing else. >.>



I'm not the one trying to argue the idea that its okay or '"just" to threaten to kill random members of <insert group>, or hope they are killed.
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Posted 6/25/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:


Was Dylan Roof harassed and constantly unjustly profiled by church going black people for decades? You are so far out of the ballpark you're not even on the planet anymore


He was upset about rape and murder rates taken from FBI statistics. We don't know if or how much he was victimized by African Americans, would his actions be justified if he was?

Was Micah X Johnson and Gavin Long's attacks on police (and ironically people of their own race) justified? I don't think either of them had a significant history of being victimized by police either.


Nope I am out someone else deal with this I am not risking a ban over this guy I am out
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Posted 6/25/17 , edited 6/25/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:
I'm not the one trying to argue the idea that its okay or '"just" to threaten to kill random members of <insert group>, or hope they are killed.


You're right, you're not the one. Because the one doesn't exist. No one in the thread said that. You started trolling it up out of the gate as usual, I assume to try and bait tim into another ban. Though it seems he's wriggled away from your hook this time.

Next time, Gadget. Next time.

Posted 6/25/17

runec wrote:
You're right, you're not the one. Because the one doesn't exist. No one in the thread said that.


It sure was implied. I said:

And was met with:

Why can't you see people are getting fed up and are at a point where they are not going to take it anymore




You started trolling it up out of the gate as usual, I assume to try and bait tim into another ban.


No bait, I'd much rather enjoy hearing "No, I'm sorry, I was wrong".
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Well I am sure someone somewhere someday will say that to you so keep holding your breath until then
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:
And was met with:


Right. Which was not a statement that it was "just". It was a statement of cause and effect with a plea to frustration.

Which you had the gall to pull Dylann Roof into of all the possible examples you could have come up with.



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No bait, I'd much rather enjoy hearing "No, I'm sorry, I was wrong".


Okay, now you're just being silly. On the rare occasion I have tried to speak with you on a topic we actually had some agreement on you simply ignored me as soon as it was evident it wasn't going to be an argument. You aim for conflict, not agreement.

And if you're not aiming for conflict you need to sit down and have a long think about the way you engage others. >.>









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