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Imagine if every political group in America could get their own state. Rather than complaining about dr*mpf, all the blue states(like California and New York) should form their own nations and the red ones(Texas etc..) should form their own. For example the East Coast can be it's own nation, so can the South, New England, the Great Lakes Area, and the Central farming areas. This would prevent America from invading and destroying other nations as well as prevent the modern "i dun like dis president impeach blah blah". This would also mean if any of these nations get problems they cannot rely on other states to bail them out.

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didn't this instigate a civil war a long time ago?
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It will happen within 15 years.

But it won't be peaceful.

The best case would be what happened to Yugoslavia.

I predict Somalia.
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So then, instead of having a large nation with separate interests balancing and checking each other, you'd rather have a bunch of tiny radical nations? That can't support themselves economically?

We'd probably destroy ourselves as the stronger, more independent states absorb the weaker ones, force them to submit to their will, then go after the others for resources.

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I'm not saying I wouldn't see it happening, but that it would be very detrimental as the different areas rely on each other for different things.

The east is highly urban, the movement of good still is primarily done via sea, and the money and industry is on the coasts.

I was going to make the point about the coasts being majorly dependant on the middle states, but we import most of our food anyhow, and, ya know what? Fuck 'em. (kidding)

It'll weaken the hell out of our nation, and, quite frankly, I think there's more of a mix in all the states rather than a "coasts vs. middle" divide as people think.
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We're called the "United States" for a reason, not the "Divided States"
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We have 50 STATES for a reason and the 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Now please explain to the Democrats and Neo-Cons what the constitution is and what the 10th means. We have too much federal control and not enough state control especially when the federal government is taking on roles not in the constitution.

Foreigners never understand what the united states really is... It's 50 different states/countries bound together under a federal government.
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The coasts would largely be fine I would think as any place with or near a port city would keep relying on international business. Some of the middle and most of the south would probably end up as Mad Max like hellscapes were bands of roving cannibals fight over gasoline and child brides.

The Amish would shrug and keep going about their day.





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runec wrote:

The coasts would largely be fine I would think as any place with or near a port city would keep relying on international business. Some of the middle and most of the south would probably end up as Mad Max like hellscapes were bands of roving cannibals fight over gasoline and child brides.

The Amish would shrug and keep going about their day.


You realize that the Middle and South make most of the food and oil right? We would be getting rid of the financial and tech industries.

The coasts would be begging us for food, water, and gasoline. We could wreck them with our pricing.
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Rujikin wrote:

You realize that the Middle and South make most of the food and oil right? We would be getting rid of the financial and tech industries.

The coasts would be begging us for food, water, and gasoline. We could wreck them with our pricing.



Rujikin wrote:

Foreigners never understand what the united states really is... It's 50 different states/countries bound together under a federal government.


Yeah, well they aren't countries...They are called states for a reason. Also the east coast and west coast is where all the wealth and educated people are. Not to mention depending on how you divide the whole thing they'd have access to plenty of oil (Alaska, Canada) or food. They are the strongest part of our economy, equipped with ports, so they can import what they need. Though I will say, debating this whole thing is beyond dumb.

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runec wrote:

The coasts would largely be fine I would think as any place with or near a port city would keep relying on international business. Some of the middle and most of the south would probably end up as Mad Max like hellscapes were bands of roving cannibals fight over gasoline and child brides.

The Amish would shrug and keep going about their day.







I dunno, I think California would fail pretty quickly when its suddenly they don't get water or electricity from other states.
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Rujikin wrote:
You realize that the Middle and South make most of the food and oil right? We would be getting rid of the financial and tech industries.

The coasts would be begging us for food, water, and gasoline. We could wreck them with our pricing.


They would just ( keep ) turning to Canada and Mexico. They would effectively control international trade and they have internationally desirable commodities with tech and finance. Landlocked states that don't border Canada or Mexico could be easily farked if they tried any sort of trade war. And thats before you get into how much more dependent states in the mid and south west are on Federal dollars. Many states are effectively subsidized by the Federal government right now.

They just wouldn't have enough trade leverage.
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runec wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
You realize that the Middle and South make most of the food and oil right? We would be getting rid of the financial and tech industries.

The coasts would be begging us for food, water, and gasoline. We could wreck them with our pricing.


They would just ( keep ) turning to Canada and Mexico. They would effectively control international trade and they have internationally desirable commodities with tech and finance. Landlocked states that don't border Canada or Mexico could be easily farked if they tried any sort of trade war. And thats before you get into how much more dependent states in the mid and south west are on Federal dollars. Many states are effectively subsidized by the Federal government right now.

They just wouldn't have enough trade leverage.


You said the middle and south. We would join up and work together pretty quickly. The south has HUGE shipyards in Georgia, Louisiana and Texas. There would be no landlock and we would control the oil flowing out of Canada and Texas.
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Nasigno wrote:
I dunno, I think California would fail pretty quickly when its suddenly they don't get water or electricity from other states.


and those states would not get the income from that water or electricity. Trade is a two way street.

California also has the coffers to make drastic changes if it really has too ( even if they're too stupid to do so right now ).
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