Post Reply Make (Old) Anime 80s/90s/... DRM-Free Files for Download Available on GoG.com
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Many of us watch their Anime on their Tablet without Internet Connection on the go (train/bus/school/vacation-travels) and need DRM-Free Files for their offline viewing. Therefore my suggestion:

The main issue: Crunchyroll should in my opinion/suggestion make offline downloadable video files (mkv format +softsubs) of old Anime shows available on GoG.com.

Old shows would be easier to get permission/license from the Japanese Publishers, because not so much people are interested in those (in the false opinion of the publishers). Shows of the 80s/90s would be a start. (Something like Sailor Moon, Rose of Versailles, Gundam etc...)

For those who dont know, GoG.com is the second-biggest competitor to Steam.

GoG.com is different from Steam in that they provide DRM-Free Files for their games and you can download and play them offline. Even if GoG will close one day, you can keep your files forever. Many Game publishers at first were hesitant about providing drm-free files, but changed their minds and GoG has now a top tier game catalogue of over 2000 games. They started first with old games (Good Old Games = GoG) but many new AAA games are there as well now (Witcher 1+2+3 (was made by them), Fallout, Shadow Warrior 1+2 etc... Even some new games have their Day-1 Release on GoG besides Steam. (Like Elex or Spellforce 3 which can be prepurchased to get on release day). Many Games are "cracked" on release day anyway and because of this, publishers thought, why invest money into drm when it will be cracked anyway. Users on the other hand want to have legal offline files without hassles, something which illegal pirated copies offered them conveniently for a long, long time.

The same goes for Anime offline pirated files which are available anyway. So why shouldn't the Japanese Publishers make DRM-Free Files of (at least old) shows available, and gain money again from them, instead of gaining no revenue of pirated files?

This Concept works businesswise as GoG shows us, so why not adapt it to Anime?
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Posted 6/24/17 , edited 6/24/17
There was an article on Polygon stating that CR had future plans for downloadable anime:
https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/4/15542054/amazon-anime-strike-crunchyroll

Update: A Crunchyroll representative told Polygon it plans to bring offline streaming to its service sometime in 2017.

““Our breadth of titles and relationships within the anime industry can’t be beat,” the rep said. “We know offline streaming is important to our viewers, and we're working to bring this feature to the platform in 2017 so that fans can keep up with their favorite shows wherever they are.”


If it happens it will probably be available on Android and/or possibly Apple devices, maybe something similar to how Amazon or iTunes does it. But DRM-free, and files you can manipulate yourself? Not a chance; the Japanese companies will never agree to allow that.

Basically, you'll get to select (only) two of these; you won't be able to have all three:

Anime downloads
DRM-free
Legal

Older anime are the most difficult to license, not the easiest. Aside from some other company already owning all rights (in a region), tracking down all the companies of the committee who own the rights, getting them (or finding a principal) to come to terms on a new legal agreement, and the expenses involved in doing so if it is even possible to get them at all, would be too high to recoup for the number of views they would have.

What will be interesting to me is how they will manage to geo-filter the resulting downloads... At the very least, if they manage to go ahead with it, I suspect that they won't be able to go on a separate memory card, and likely would have a time limit to watch
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I wouldn't care if new or old Anime. Even bad Anime would be fine as long as i could download it as files on mkv. (^_^)

Although i like Crunchyroll, i find the policies of Geo-Blocking and Censorship (regarding the difference of Blu-Ray vs TV versions ridiculous and that in Europe we cant view most things anyway. But that would be okay at least if we could get offline files for whatever anime)

We the customers are the kings and we vote with our money.

Therefore if Crunchyroll would as AN EXPERIMENT agree to bring whatever Anime show as DRM-Free Files, i would buy it. Crunchyroll could test the demand for those files and could argue better in front of the Japanese Companies. I am sure that thousands of people who still download pirated files would be happy to buy those Experimental show to show their support.

You can BUYDownload legally DRM-Free Music, PC Games, and even Hentai Manga (at Fakku).

Why should Anime remain DRM-Bound?

Anyways - No files no MoNeY. (^_^)
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Posted 6/24/17

asharka wrote:

Basically, you'll get to select (only) two of these; you won't be able to have all three:

Anime downloads
DRM-free
Legal


Originally they did have all 3. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-10/crunchyroll-ends-its-download-to-own-service


Crunchyroll's download-to-own videos are free of digital rights management (DRM). Only some of Crunchyroll's titles, such as Angelic Layer, Blassreiter, and Saiyuki, are still available through the download-to-own option. Most of these episodes are offered at US$1.99 per episode, but some also operate on a donation system, with extras added on for donations of US$2 or more.


It says it ended because no one used it. (Which I think is people couldn't keep it to themselves and shared the cookies out of it.)
So experiment done and ended CR and whoever they got the shows from mustn't have liked it.

I've only been caught out from the anime I have bought on google play's DRM once. So I doubt DRM free is really required sounds like a nit pick. (which is what the majority of people who pirate things do. Wrong price, wrong file format, doesn't do this blah blah blah.)
Unless you go to another country and decide nope no internet while there at all. Or live in the middle of nowhere and travel to the other side of the middle of nowhere. 2G speeds is enough to update a expired license only takes a few seconds to verify you and update the files.

Also it isn't really up to CR to provide the service for DTO's but people who distribute the anime in that region.
Would X company like the fact they paid $XXXXXX to license a show only for CR to go here have a DTO? So would only be for titles they have full control over and I doubt it is that many TBH anyway. Outside the US it would likely be next to none.
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"It says it ended because no one used it."

"So experiment done and ended CR and whoever they got the shows from mustn't have liked it."


From your own Article refuting your claims: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-10/crunchyroll-ends-its-download-to-own-service

Gao told at that time: "To date, thousands of enthusiastic users have embraced Crunchyroll's DRM-free download-to-own product."

"Gao explained that Crunchyroll has 10 times more users on its recently released iPhone and iPod Touch streaming application than download-to-own users. "

NOWHERE does it say that nobody used it or that the Japanese Companies were uncomfortable or unhappy with it.

The opposite in fact. In 2010 according to this article and interview, Crunchyroll had about 20.000 to 100.000 subscribers. This can be logically deducted from "To date, thousands of enthusiastic users" and "10 times more users". Thousands x 10 = at least 20.000 upto 100.000 subscribers.

According to Wikipedia: In February 2017, Crunchyroll passed one million paid subscribers.

If for example crunchyroll has now (after seven years) 1 million subscribers, 100.000 subscribers at least (10 Percent) would be happy to download2own files. If crunchyroll has more than 1 million subscribers in the future you can do the math yourselves.

Therefore the demand for download2own is definitely there. Just look at GoG which is growing day by day and getting better and newer DRM-Free games inspite of Steam with its over 100+ millions user base.

According to Wikipedia on GoG.com:
"As of 9 June 2015, GOG.com had seen 690,000 units[59] of CD Projekt Red's game The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt redeemed through the service, more than the second largest digital seller Steam (approx. 580,000 units[60]) and all other PC digital distribution services combined.[61]"
"On 26 August 2015, Bethesda Softworks joined GOG.com with classical titles as id Software's Doom and Quake, Fallout, and also some classic Elder Scrolls titles.[69] GOG.com has more than 2,000 DRM-free games in its catalogue and new ones are added several times a week."

Your Article even shows that the Japanese Companies aren't at fault because in the past (seven years ago) they allowed download2own.

The only one at fault here is Crunchyroll which chose to abandon those who want download2own files.

If anyone has ever watched One Piece, they know that Pirates are not bad per se. They just want to be free.

In Luffy's (future King of the Pirates) Words:

Files are FREEDOM!
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if CR offers a download option, i suspect it'll be similar to the manga shop: pay per episode / series
or maybe they'll make a new subscription tier just for this extra option.

as for DRM-free...lol not happening. but so long as you're able to download and watch hassle free like Amazon, there should be no issues.
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Not everyone on the site has a premium membership. The normal to premium ratio isn't a 1 to 1 free.
I remember seeing one thing from a couple of years ago that said they had 1 million free members and something like under 70,000 paying members. So why was the apple app more popular then the DTO service? There where members who could pay for titles it wasn't exclusive to paying membership users. So I really don't get what the 2010 premium members have anything to do with it. Pretty sure anime fans had money 7 years ago. :p

If publishers where happy with the DTO they would have lobbied CR to keep it going it is their work after all. If CR decided it was dead project then the publishers could have moved it elsewhere. Sold it themselves etc. Launched Daisuki earlier and sold it there... Why isn't it sold there now? Specially if they are happy with it?? Daisuki is owned by Japanese anime publishers. So they could if they want nothing stopping them.
Here is the thing... Several shows from the 80's and 90's where locked to paying subscribers and are now being removed off the site completely at the end of the month.

Japan has some funky laws regarding sharing so the last thing they want at this time is lots of DRM free stuff floating around.
Some publishers stop Region A blu rays from being made with long lock outs because they don't want people in Japan importing them. Or have options where you can't turn sub titles off if you use the Japanese Audio. These things where happening only last year.

This is what a major Japanese anime publisher lists on a Japanese copy imported to the US with no changes makes the store do.
"Due to licensing and contract restrictions, this product can be sold and shipped to only the following regions: Regions removed as irreverent to the post. It cannot be shipped to Japan." So they wont let people in Japan import something that is their own version originally?

^ So stuff in these paragraphs that needs to end before DRM etc free has any hope of being resurrected anything soon. CR is not the only anime streaming site in the world so if CR doesn't play to their rules they will move there titles elsewhere. Making CR go bye byes.

GEO blocking will end first before any wide spread DRM specially the niche requirements you are after happens.
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penguincat wrote:

Not everyone on the site has a premium membership. The normal to premium ratio isn't a 1 to 1 free.
I remember seeing one thing from a couple of years ago that said they had 1 million free members and something like under 70,000 paying members.


Crunchyroll Surpasses Over One Million Paid Subscribers, Details Daily Giveaways To Celebrate!

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I would love this idea. I've already got 800+ games on GOG, and while I was skeptical about their DRM-free movies idea back when they announced it, I've gotten to the point where it's definitely something I would like to see. I really wish I had known about Crunchyroll's Download to Own service at the time they were still offering it. In the meantime, I've taken to ripping all my videos to my computer with Handbrake:

I've got them set up in .mkv format so I can have subtitles and both English and Japanese dubs in one file. I can switch them on the fly, and I can jump to any video and to any point in any film, there's no re-loading of streams or ads, I love it.
But really, doing all that is a PITA and I'd be fine paying another service to do all that for me. Then again, I doubt any other service would use .mkv format and would set it up the way I've done it, so maybe it's for the best. =\
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