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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/


Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his wife, Jane Sanders have hired prominent defense attorneys amid an FBI investigation into a loan Jane Sanders obtained to expand Burlington College while she was its president, CBS News confirms.


To be honest I thought Bernie was the only clean guy in politics. Turns out I could of been mistaken?
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Posted 6/25/17 , edited 6/30/17
I'll wait to hear from Trump how this investigation started before I pass judgement. He's bound to say something to his friends on Fox and Friends.
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Posted 6/25/17 , edited 6/25/17
Well that's a pretty biting issue. Bank fraud is no laughing matter especially for someone people are expected to back for running a country. Hopefully though, this investigation will conclude with the Sanderses as innocent, though I admit I'm not well read enough in this particualr legal field to make a prediction with any sort of confidence.
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clean guy ? the communist old geezer like to demand people paying their fair share every time he got in front of the camera or stage. i think some people here like CNN and huffpost so..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-taxes/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tax-return_us_5711836be4b0060ccda3634e

13.5% ? i work as a contractor and making 1/3 of the salary listed in the article and i'm paying 27% on my income tax.

fair share ? let's start with comrade Bernie
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^ That's such a non-issue. Your calculation includes income that's non-taxable, and even then it's not taking advantage of a loophole to use an available credit exactly as it's intended to be used.

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/deducting-home-mortgage-interest


Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who has retained counsel as the FBI investigates whether his wife Jane committed fraud to acquire a loan for a now-shuttered Vermont college, predicted Saturday night that the probe would be a political fizzle.

"This was a story that just, amazingly enough, came out in the middle of my presidential campaign, initiated by Donald Trump's campaign manager in Vermont," Sanders said in an interview, between rallies in Pennsylvania and Ohio organized to defeat the Senate Republicans' health-care bill. "That's about it. I don't think it'll be a distraction."



The investigation began in January 2016, when attorney and Vermont GOP vice chair Brady Toensing urged the FBI to probe whether Jane Sanders had committed bank fraud to acquire a new campus for the college.



Bernie Sanders is not under FBI investigation.

The attack is a belated, served-cold revenge for the probe of Clinton's use of a private email server that dragged through her presidential campaign and resurfaced in its final week, likely costing her a victory in the electoral college, even as no charges were brought. But while some Sanders surrogates and delegates warned that the Democrats should not have a nominee "under FBI investigation," neither Bernie nor Jane Sanders made much of the story; in April 2016, Jane Sanders suggested "it would be nice if the FBI moved it along," but emphasized that her husband was not using the email probe to attack Clinton.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-bernie-jane-sanders-fbi-investigation-20170625-story.html

Those are a lot of caveats. I'm waiting until the probe is actually finished to pass any sort of judgment, and I'm not going to make too much of the fact that someone under investigation (remember, that's Jane, not Bernie) has sought legal counsel. That's just sensible.
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Investigation started back in the Spring of 2016, a loan of 10 million in Other People's Money based on knowingly false documentation. Just now it's gotten to the point where the Sanders have decided to get lawyers for this.

"Burlington attorney and Sanders supporter Rich Cassidy has reportedly been hired to represent Sen. Sanders. And high-profile Washington defense attorney Larry Robbins, who counseled I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is protecting Jane Sanders."

Looks like both have lawyered up, Bernie because:

"According to Politico, prosecutors might also be looking into allegations that Sen. Sanders' office inappropriately urged the bank to approve the loan. "
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It would break my heart if Bernie broke the law. With that said is the allegation that he broke the law to give money to a college? Not that it justifies anything but that just seems so Bernie!
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Isn't this more about his wife than him? Bernie allegedly didn't broke the law, Janet did.
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mxdan wrote:

It would break my heart if Bernie broke the law. With that said is the allegation that he broke the law to give money to a college? Not that it justifies anything but that just seems so Bernie!


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Isn't this more about his wife than him? Bernie allegedly didn't broke the law, Janet did.


I don't know if it is breaking the law (nor if it happened at all), but the allegations include that the bank made the loan under the urging of Bernie's office (as Senator).
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Investigation started back in the Spring of 2016, a loan of 10 million in Other People's Money based on knowingly false documentation. Just now it's gotten to the point where the Sanders have decided to get lawyers for this.

"Burlington attorney and Sanders supporter Rich Cassidy has reportedly been hired to represent Sen. Sanders. And high-profile Washington defense attorney Larry Robbins, who counseled I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is protecting Jane Sanders."

Looks like both have lawyered up, Bernie because:

"According to Politico, prosecutors might also be looking into allegations that Sen. Sanders' office inappropriately urged the bank to approve the loan. "


That "might also be" sounds like a pretty important phrase, but your point is taken about Sanders himself also seeking counsel.

For reference, here's the Politico article:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

Just look at how Toensing tries to rebuff the notion that the allegation against Sanders himself is a political character assassination attempt:


The original request for an investigation into the potential bank fraud did indeed come from Brady Toensing, an attorney who chaired Trump’s Vermont campaign, and whose January 2016 letter to the U.S. attorney for Vermont put federal agents on the trail. (Toensing, in an email to Politico Magazine, notes, “The investigation was started more than a year ago under President Obama, his Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and his United States Attorney, all of whom are Democrats.”)


And thus they were all people you could reasonably expect to be naturally friendly to Sanders and nothing's fishy here.



Wait.


The facts of the case are complicated. They are steeped in Vermont’s peculiar educational culture and the incestuous financial system in Burlington, Sanders’ hometown and political base, where some Sanders backers worry that with Trump’s Justice Department calling the shots, the facts—intricate as they are—may not determine the outcome.


Sounds like a legitimate worry to me considering Trump is currently swirling amid accusations of obstruction of justice and Sessions' behaviour during his recent testimony, but speculation it is and so speculation it should be treated as.


For more than a decade, Brady Toensing has been vice chair of the Vermont Republican Party. He chaired Donald Trump’s campaign in the Green Mountain State and remained loyal even as more moderate elected Republicans vowed not to vote for Trump. Known in Vermont political circles as a jocular, entertaining activist, he’s constantly on alert for cases where he can slip the knife into Democratic politicians. In 2013, when news broke that then-Governor Peter Shumlin might have taken advantage of a neighbor in acquiring land, Toensing took the neighbor’s case. But the rise of Bernie Sanders clearly stuck in his craw—especially given what he considered to be the lack of scrutiny Sanders enjoyed.


That "lack of scrutiny" is clarified far earlier in the article as representing the behaviour of the Vermont press, so I won't count it against Politico here. Sanders was subjected to intense scrutiny by the national press when they talked about him at all, and the DNC and Clinton campaign e-mail leaks showed us plenty of information about why that was.

The main point to take from this section is that Toensing is definitely the kind of guy who'd relish a chance to do a political hack job against Sanders using the justice system as his weapon. The motive, background, resources, and opportunity are there. Something doesn't smell right.

The article then talks in great length about Jane Sanders and her history with the university here, and that's a conversation for another time. But for now we'll look at the part about Bernie:


In March 2016, Toensing doubled down in another letter to federal officials. This time, he made an allegation that struck to the core of Bernie Sanders’ clean-government image. “As a result of my [initial] complaint,” Toensing wrote, “I was recently approached and informed that Senator Bernard Sanders’s office improperly pressured People’s United Bank to approve the loan application submitted by the Senator’s wife, Ms. Sanders.”

The evidence for that charge seems to be thin, at best. According to sources familiar with the matter, the alleged “pressure” may have simply been a casual suggestion—perhaps chatter by a Sanders staffer over lunch, instead of a written document or email—and though such a suggestion might still be improper, it would be difficult to prove a direct connection to the senator.


I have to give Politico credit for putting this in. It's not an outlet that's been especially friendly toward Sanders, and this would be an ideal moment to stick a knife in him. So Sanders is likely obtaining counsel for himself merely because allegations have been made, but Jane looks like she might genuinely be in trouble here.
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Posted 6/25/17 , edited 6/25/17
So Sanders might come away from thing looking like a hero. Or if he runs against the establishment that again they'll smear the hell out of him.
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I guess I misjudged Bernie. I knew he was a socialist but I figured he was a trustworthy one. I suppose no socialist is trustworthy as is the stereotype... Dammit Democrats why do you disappoint me at every turn, can't believe I was one of you at one point.

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Rujikin wrote:

I guess I misjudged Bernie. I knew he was a socialist but I figured he was a trustworthy one. I suppose no socialist is trustworthy as is the stereotype... Dammit Democrats why do you disappoint me at every turn, can't believe I was one of you at one point.



"Ha! Stupid liberals, thinking just because Trump is under investigation for something means he committed a crime."

"Bernie Sanders is under investigation? Clearly he's committed a crime!"
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