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maybe you should read my other posts in this thread.. Do you have factual data to back it up? for accusing someone of not paying taxes.. i hope not because of the Clinton news network said it so ?

yes.. the guy is refusing to release his taxes.. MSNBC revealed that in 2005 he paid 25%.. which is more than comrade Bernie but no one has the more recent tax returns. Why ? it's illegal to do so unless the person is willing to share the information.

are you even a contractor or have your own business? do you know how tax credits and deductions work ?


if you ended up with negative income for that year - you will not be taxed + businesses expenses he/she can deduct (not just real estate)

The TAX game -- politician and big business owners know how to play them pretty well.

I would recommend you learn more about tax credits and deductions and not just blindly follow a specific network -- we are humans not animals who can be hypothesized so easily --


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what? you mean him admitting to it on national television isn't factual enough?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-lean-toward-clinton-among-one-group-of-undecided-north-carolina-voters/2016/09/27/ff271b2e-8469-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?utm_term=.1932783f67b9
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i think it's a woman




my bad I thought he/she was a man. It's not easy to tell now a day.

during my internship at one of the departments of hospital i had to spend a week in a sex change department of Scottdale Osborn

https://www.honorhealth.com/locations/hospitals/scottsdale-osborn-medical-center

I'm not good with names :/ but for that one week i had to address the patients there by his/her name to avoid dangerous mistakes of using the usual sir/maam.

However, It was the easiest week compare to other departments since little patient care was needed.


I know the hospital you mentioned. Scottdale Osborn has a sex change department ? How many years ago is it ?

What's the experience of taking care of those patients by the way ?
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what? you mean him admitting to it on national television isn't factual enough?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-lean-toward-clinton-among-one-group-of-undecided-north-carolina-voters/2016/09/27/ff271b2e-8469-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?utm_term=.1932783f67b9


what ? you are considering what a politician/businessman said on tv as fact ? interesting.. do you remember the famous claim of "you can keep your doctor" blah.. blah..

You do know what "facts" are right ?

washingtonpost and cnbc ? these news networks along with CNN, MSNBC, etc.. are know for pro-clinton, it's pretty obvious from the headlines in most of their articles They gnawed att Trump's tax for months and all they got is his 2005 tax at 25% ?

I'm sorry but you need to do more than that. If you are accusing someone of a crime, please be sure to have the evidences to back it up.
I personally don't care who they are accusing of a crime but you better have evidences beside OH! he/she said!!..

as a contractor, i'm very curious about how these politicians and businessmen are paying less tax than me especially comrade Bernie. I'm still curious about Trump's tax.. but 2005 at 25% didn't really help at all given the accusation of the guy not paying income taxes

what i would want ?

what tax credits and deductions comrade Bernie were qualified for ? PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!! remember ? let's start with comrade Bernie

I also want tax returns from Trump over the last 10 years--- if you are accusing him of a crime i'm sure you have the evidences to prove it right ? show me his tax returns over the last 10 years.. the 2005 tax only proved that you wasted months of accusing someone of something that is not even valid

I'm still waiting for those two things-- please just show me the facts--HARD FACTS-- something that will stick in court

since if you consider what Trump said as facts.. i'm sure i can sue Obama for the "you can keep your doctor" claim too then .. ?

I understand the narcissist said a lot of thing-- i can see it that he loves to tweet-- but it will all come down to facts for me.. I don't care for feelings just facts. please provide me facts to any claim or accusation.

Thank you


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http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/9900B87E8AE6AF0C85257EB4004E9F66/$file/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

It is is form 1040 just like you said but there's something else .. I don't think you will like it when reading through his tax returns

check Schedule A for more details




their taxable income after deductions is $140,994.. I guess politicians do get various benefits.. which is why they are fighting hard for those seats








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I know the hospital you mentioned. Scottdale Osborn has a sex change department ? How many years ago is it ?

What's the experience of taking care of those patients by the way ?


The sex change department is a separate building from the main building of Scottdale Osborn. I don't know if the location is still the same now but it was just across the parking lot (within walking distance) when i was there.

The patient care is the same as any patient in the Med/Surg floor. The only differences are these patients recovered quickly and needed little care + there were 4-5 patients on a floor of 20 rooms. I just sit in the room and talk with them about certain things for 20-30 minutes for m assignments. It was an easy week for me.

They are pretty opened about it of why they decided to go with the sex change surgery. It's a pretty long process they have to go through and the surgery is not cheap either. They told me it was 30K for the surgery at the time (2004). It might be cheaper now.


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what? you mean him admitting to it on national television isn't factual enough?
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-brags-about-not-paying-taxes-that-makes-me-smart.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-lean-toward-clinton-among-one-group-of-undecided-north-carolina-voters/2016/09/27/ff271b2e-8469-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html?utm_term=.1932783f67b9


what ? you are considering what a politician/businessman said on tv as fact ? interesting.. do you remember the famous claim of "you can keep your doctor" blah.. blah..

You do know what "facts" are right ?

washingtonpost and cnbc ? these news networks along with CNN, MSNBC, etc.. are know for pro-clinton, it's pretty obvious from the headlines in most of their articles They gnawed att Trump's tax for months and all they got is his 2005 tax at 25% ?

I'm sorry but you need to do more than that. If you are accusing someone of a crime, please be sure to have the evidences to back it up.
I personally don't care who they are accusing of a crime but you better have evidences beside OH! he/she said!!..

as a contractor, i'm very curious about how these politicians and businessmen are paying less tax than me especially comrade Bernie. I'm still curious about Trump's tax.. but 2005 at 25% didn't really help at all given the accusation of the guy not paying income taxes

what i would want ?

what tax credits and deductions comrade Bernie were qualified for ? PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!! remember ? let's start with comrade Bernie

I also want tax returns from Trump over the last 10 years--- if you are accusing him of a crime i'm sure you have the evidences to prove it right ? show me his tax returns over the last 10 years.. the 2005 tax only proved that you wasted months of accusing someone of something that is not even valid

I'm still waiting for those two things-- please just show me the facts--HARD FACTS-- something that will stick in court

since if you consider what Trump said as facts.. i'm sure i can sue Obama for the "you can keep your doctor" claim too then .. ?

I understand the narcissist said a lot of thing-- i can see it that he loves to tweet-- but it will all come down to facts for me.. I don't care for feelings just facts. please provide me facts to any claim or accusation.

Thank you


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http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/9900B87E8AE6AF0C85257EB4004E9F66/$file/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

It is is form 1040 just like you said but there's something else .. I don't think you will like it when reading through his tax returns

check Schedule A for more details




their taxable income after deductions is $140,994.. I guess politicians do get various benefits.. which is why they are fighting hard for those seats








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I know the hospital you mentioned. Scottdale Osborn has a sex change department ? How many years ago is it ?

What's the experience of taking care of those patients by the way ?


The sex change department is a separate building from the main building of Scottdale Osborn. I don't know if the location is still the same now but it was just across the parking lot (within walking distance) when i was there.

The patient care is the same as any patient in the Med/Surg floor. The only differences are these patients recovered quickly and needed little care + there were 4-5 patients on a floor of 20 rooms. I just sit in the room and talk with them about certain things for 20-30 minutes for m assignments. It was an easy week for me.

They are pretty opened about it of why they decided to go with the sex change surgery. It's a pretty long process they have to go through and the surgery is not cheap either. They told me it was 30K for the surgery at the time (2004). It might be cheaper now.



Are you admitting that Trump doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about? Even in regards to his own business? That's actually quite refreshing, good on you.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/


Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his wife, Jane Sanders have hired prominent defense attorneys amid an FBI investigation into a loan Jane Sanders obtained to expand Burlington College while she was its president, CBS News confirms.


To be honest I thought Bernie was the only clean guy in politics. Turns out I could of been mistaken?


Problem is you assumed someone in politics was "clean"...this is impossible because the second a person thinks about politics they are corrupted, one way or another.
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clean guy ? the communist old geezer like to demand people paying their fair share every time he got in front of the camera or stage. i think some people here like CNN and huffpost so..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-taxes/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tax-return_us_5711836be4b0060ccda3634e

13.5% ? i work as a contractor and making 1/3 of the salary listed in the article and i'm paying 27% on my income tax.

fair share ? let's start with comrade Bernie


socialism = communism apparently.
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interesting.. I know you can deduct property tax but listing it as your paid taxes ?

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1899887-can-i-deduct-property-real-estate-taxes


the geezer even listed tax preparation as an expense.. which is interesting to me.. since i didn't know you can add tax preparation fee as business expenses for deductions. See!! we are learning alot already by looking at these politicians' taxes

$9,666 for income taxes
$14,843 for real estate taxes
$22,946 for home mortgage interests
$8350 for gifts to charity --- the IRS verified these donations right ?
$572 job expenses and misc deduction

total of $56,377 for deductions





if this geezer is running for president in a few years, I'll join the politic bandwagon as well too then. I hope who ever is running against him will be a better candidate and not repeating 2016 over again. I really hope the crooked hag will not decide to run again


so, still no Trump tax ? You are right about them making claims and accusations but all they got is his 2005 tax return. He paid 25% in taxes didn't really help their accusation at all.

It will be interesting to see Trump taxes for the last 10 years-- but the guy will not release them that is for sure. I really want to see the tax returns of the 1% of the 1% !!




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dulun18 wrote:

clean guy ? the communist old geezer like to demand people paying their fair share every time he got in front of the camera or stage. i think some people here like CNN and huffpost so..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-taxes/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tax-return_us_5711836be4b0060ccda3634e

13.5% ? i work as a contractor and making 1/3 of the salary listed in the article and i'm paying 27% on my income tax.

fair share ? let's start with comrade Bernie


socialism = communism apparently.



are you one of the Bernie worshipers ? should i use trigger warning here too ?

go live in countries like China and Vietnam for 1-2 years then come back. I'm sure you will understand




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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:





interesting.. I know you can deduct property tax but listing it as your paid taxes ?

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1899887-can-i-deduct-property-real-estate-taxes


the geezer even listed tax preparation as an expense.. which is interesting to me.. since i didn't know you can add tax preparation fee as business expenses for deductions. See!! we are learning alot already by looking at these politicians' taxes

$9,666 for income taxes
$14,843 for real estate taxes
$22,946 for home mortgage interests
$8350 for gifts to charity --- the IRS verified these donations right ?
$572 job expenses and misc deduction

total of $56,377 for deductions





if this geezer is running for president in a few years, I'll join the politic bandwagon as well too then. I hope who ever is running against him will be a better candidate and not repeating 2016 over again. I really hope the crooked hag will not decide to run again


so, still no Trump tax ? You are right about them making claims and accusations but all they got is his 2005 tax return. He paid 25% in taxes didn't really help their accusation at all.

It will be interesting to see Trump taxes for the last 10 years-- but the guy will not release them that is for sure. I really want to see the tax returns of the 1% of the 1% !!




Ryulightorb wrote:


dulun18 wrote:

clean guy ? the communist old geezer like to demand people paying their fair share every time he got in front of the camera or stage. i think some people here like CNN and huffpost so..

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-taxes/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tax-return_us_5711836be4b0060ccda3634e

13.5% ? i work as a contractor and making 1/3 of the salary listed in the article and i'm paying 27% on my income tax.

fair share ? let's start with comrade Bernie


socialism = communism apparently.



are you one of the Bernie worshipers ? should i use trigger warning here too ?

go live in countries like China and Vietnam for 1-2 years then come back. I'm sure you will understand








No of course not i never said Socialism was good but it's not communism to say so is pure ignorance and stupidity.
Bernie had great ideas but sadly his ideas of how to execute them were deeply flawed and honestly would not work under any way without major modifications and even then Americans would be against it because "mai low taxes"

Socialism is like Capitalism a nice idea doesn't work as well as capitalism but both of them have nice ideas the ideal system (in which most modern societies used is a mixed system and it works pretty well)

Still America is a country that lags behind with their fees for college and shit being outrageous and lack of "free healthcare" that's not up for debate but Socialism is not communism that statement is retarded.

In all Bernie would of just made things worse.

use some common sense guys ;P
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The fact that the investigation originated from a request by a Trump loyalist is disturbing by itself.

The increasing number of politically motivated investigations in a world where investigative journalism is increasingly MIA, if not under attack, spells troubles for our democracy...

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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

interesting.. I know you can deduct property tax but listing it as your paid taxes ?



I don't see anywhere in the tax return where he is including the property tax as paid taxes that would be directly counted against taxes he needed to pay. He is including them in box 6 of the itemized deductions, where you are supposed to be including them. This section is for itemizing out your deductions though, so it is deducting the property tax. The only amount he's including as "paid taxes" is in box 44, which is an amount of $26,961, and should be the amount of taxes that you paid in withholding. I don't see any breakdown of the $26,961, so I'm left with the assumption that he pulled it from his W2 (If a W2 is what you get for your wages as a senator).


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the geezer even listed tax preparation as an expense.. which is interesting to me.. since i didn't know you can add tax preparation fee as business expenses for deductions. See!! we are learning alot already by looking at these politicians' taxes

$9,666 for income taxes
$14,843 for real estate taxes
$22,946 for home mortgage interests
$8350 for gifts to charity --- the IRS verified these donations right ?
$572 job expenses and misc deduction

total of $56,377 for deductions



These are all very normal deductions under our current deduction system. There isn't really anything "politician" about them, and any one could take them. Turbo Tax even prompts you for deducting tax preparation as an expense, which I also deducted.

Edit:
Also, he didn't deduct the tax preparation fee as a business expense, but as a normal deduction. I don't have a business, nor did I have any business expenses, but I deduct that in the same spot. The business expenses are on the line above this one, and he has them detailed in form 2106.

When I first saw it mentioned how much he made and how much he paid in federal, I calculated it out that it would be about 56K he would have needed in deductions. That didn't seem out of the "normal" for things people could take advantage of, if they made that kind of wage and had an expensive house. Seeing it, I am not surprised. Everything there was normal.
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The fact that the investigation originated from a request by a Trump loyalist is disturbing by itself.

The increasing number of politically motivated investigations in a world where investigative journalism is increasingly MIA, if not under attack, spells troubles for our democracy...



The investigation supposedly started around January of 2016, so it was during the primary. It was obviously started to discredit Bernie if he won the Democratic primary which would have been around July the same year. This investigation will amount to a big old nothing, like the Hillary Email, or the Pizzagate, or the 'kick everyone off health insurance is better than having health insurance' bill. The fact that Trump and his minions lie so often and so frequently, discredits anything they claim. This investigation on Bernie is no different than the other run of the mill lies they have spread this year.
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what? you mean him admitting to it on national television isn't factual enough?


What part of those links has Trump saying " I didn't pay taxes for 10 years ?" like you said he did? Also using laws to your advantage to pay less taxes is pretty smart. You'd have to be a gibbering idiot not to try and get your taxes reduced.

We also have proof he paid $38 million in taxes in 2005, likely more than you ever will in your entire lifetime.


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This investigation will amount to a big old nothing, like the Hillary Email, or the Pizzagate, or


Or "muh russians!" and that pissgate fake news?
Hillary's email scandal didn't end with her in jail because she's a wealthy politician and former first lady.
If you or I did a quarter of the things she did, we would be under the prison.

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Sanders is a Democrat, so it is no supersize that he says he helps the poor but turns around and gives money to the rich. This is the Democrat mantra.
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:




interesting.. I know you can deduct property tax but listing it as your paid taxes ?

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1899887-can-i-deduct-property-real-estate-taxes


the geezer even listed tax preparation as an expense.. which is interesting to me.. since i didn't know you can add tax preparation fee as business expenses for deductions. See!! we are learning alot already by looking at these politicians' taxes

$9,666 for income taxes
$14,843 for real estate taxes
$22,946 for home mortgage interests
$8350 for gifts to charity --- the IRS verified these donations right ?
$572 job expenses and misc deduction

total of $56,377 for deductions





if this geezer is running for president in a few years, I'll join the politic bandwagon as well too then. I hope who ever is running against him will be a better candidate and not repeating 2016 over again. I really hope the crooked hag will not decide to run again


so, still no Trump tax ? You are right about them making claims and accusations but all they got is his 2005 tax return. He paid 25% in taxes didn't really help their accusation at all.

It will be interesting to see Trump taxes for the last 10 years-- but the guy will not release them that is for sure. I really want to see the tax returns of the 1% of the 1% !!



I think we have to admit that there's no way Trump will reveal this tax returns over the last 10 years. I'm sure they will continue to accuse the guy of not paying his taxes even though their big story about his 2005 tax was a flop. The accusation will continue on.. It's politics after all

speaking of accusations,

for bernie, it is interesting when you are breaking down his tax returns. I would love to see his 2016 tax returns though , i'm sure we will see a spike in income for the year of 2016 !! most likely it will not be 200K-ish for the year -- how much did the democrat party or the Clintons bought him out for ?


there's another accusation against the geezer right now--- so i'm hoping maybe he will reveal his social security info

he didn't work (got his first paycheck) until he was 40 ??? i don't know if this is true or not but i guess this is why he could be the leader of the "needy" and "basement dwellers" . It turned one of their candidates is the prime example of the "needy" and "basement dwellers"-- the terms that they used in those emails and hidden videos.

if you go to my social security

https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/

you should able to see the main page with all the years you worked/filed tax for and the total amount of income and taxes

so either Trump or Bernie can do this to prove the accusations against them are true or not





if Bernie didn't work until he was 40 claim is true as they said-- eh--

adult children--- please don't create more of them
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ran76 wrote:


what? you mean him admitting to it on national television isn't factual enough?


What part of those links has Trump saying " I didn't pay taxes for 10 years ?" like you said he did? Also using laws to your advantage to pay less taxes is pretty smart. You'd have to be a gibbering idiot not to try and get your taxes reduced.

We also have proof he paid $38 million in taxes in 2005, likely more than you ever will in your entire lifetime.


ranran-001 wrote:
This investigation will amount to a big old nothing, like the Hillary Email, or the Pizzagate, or


Or "muh russians!" and that pissgate fake news?
Hillary's email scandal didn't end with her in jail because she's a wealthy politician and former first lady.
If you or I did a quarter of the things she did, we would be under the prison.


Looks like your lack of reading comprehension also extends to videos. and him paying 38M in '05 does nothing to prove he paid anything after, considering he admitted to it on live tv. no amount of bending and/or spin will change that.
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