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Military recruitment and age
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Do you think being able to join the military at 18 is right? Do you think the recruitment meathods are good or acceptible? I will post my beliefs after I read a few of yours.
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I think 18 is quite right, don't want 16 year old runaways to go join.. but anyways.. you're not in Gabbly T.T *sob* Why!?
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I am not talking about lowering it, I am talking about maybe raising it. And I just logged in... give me a sec before I get on gabbly XD
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Being able to join at 18 is about right. You are considered an adult and finished with the most basic form of education.

However I hate the recruiters. How many times have the military called my home when I really don't care. I don't tell people my home phone anyways so anytime they ask for me, my english name, I say that I'm not home.

Fucking annoying. Theres simply not enough ways to say no. I'm not even a freaken permanent resident of the country.
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Well, what do you mean by your first question? Do you feel its too young or too old? Well, in America 18 is when you're officially an adult and not a minor anymore, therefore it makes perfect sense for volunteering to start at 18+. I also feel our recruitment methods are acceptable but not necessarily good. What do you mean by good? They don't work too well, but hey, what can you do? Offering to pay for college, using ads, visiting schools, etc is perfectly acceptable by my standards. Also, anyone that joins the military knows what they're getting into before they join, and anyone that didn't... well, then thats just sad to be honest. So its not like they're being tricked into joining. I mean, I have a friend in the national guard and he said it was the best decision of his life, so... I mean the military can be good. Its all opinion and perspective.

Edit: ^ Well, Toronto is different. I'm assuming Canada recruitment is different than America's. Yes, you get a call. But if you pick it up and just say "No, I don't want to join." They wont call back. At least not here. Saying you're not home isn't going to do anything, they don't have an answer that way.

Also, as for raising the age. I see that as pointless. I have friends that couldn't wait till they're 18 so they could join the military. My friend John just left for basic training. Some people see it as an honor to serve for their country, and although I have other plans with my life, I'd gladly go and fight for where I live and the people in it if I was ever drafted.
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I mean I think 18 is too young. You have to be 21 before you can buy a handgun or buy drinks. Do they think we are to irresponsible at 18? but yet they think we are responsible enough to handle machine guns and explosives. I am 17 now, and I get a bunch of letters in the mail asking me to join, they try and recruit you out of high school which I think is wrong. Either they lower buying a handgun and drinks to 18 and make it fair, or raise recruitment to 21. Here the military sends you posters, video games, clothes, and other things just for signing up for info.
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Well you can get into the Marines and the Guard (and possibly the navy) at 17, the Guard in your junior year of high school, Marines, senior year, I know this because I originally wanted to join the Guard at 17 so I could jump start my military career, before I decided on the Marines, anyway, I like the age exactly where it's at, I've wanted to join the military and serve my country at a very early age, most of my family members were veterans, I wouldn't be able to stand waiting until I was 20 something to enlist, I'd lie about my age or something, 20+ is just too old to me, and I want to be able to tell people I've spent my entire adult life in the Corps

My father joined the marines at the mere age of 17, and spent most of his 18th birthday on the camp Lejuene firing range qualifying for the marksmanship rank of sharpshooter, (the highest), to this day he says it was the best decision he ever made, and still loves the Corps
Posted 7/13/07
Sure! You can sell your self to be a dog of the military at any age ^-^
Posted 7/13/07
From the military's POV 18 is a great age. Why? B/c they don't actually want someone who has a mind of his/her own. They want someone they can mold into the perfect little order-taking soldier. Someone who will follow orders and not ask too many questions.

As for recruitment, I think that what they are doing is totally fine. Companies offer sign-on bonuses and perks, why shouldn't the military? After all, there's more chances that you could die in the military than from the corporate world. They're not FORCING you to join like some countries I know of so I've got no complaints.
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I just think the military sugar coats everything with free video games, posters and stuff like that. They always have booths in High Schools and spam your mail with info packets... Not to mention all the commercials on TV. I just think if the government thinks we are not responcible enough to drink or own a handgun at 18, then we shouldn't be allowed to sign several year long contracts with the military. If we can't get a handgun then why give us snipers, machine guns, and explosives?
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I mean I think 18 is too young. You have to be 21 before you can buy a handgun or buy drinks. Do they think we are to irresponsible at 18? but yet they think we are responsible enough to handle machine guns and explosives. I am 17 now, and I get a bunch of letters in the mail asking me to join, they try and recruit you out of high school which I think is wrong. Either they lower buying a handgun and drinks to 18 and make it fair, or raise recruitment to 21. Here the military sends you posters, video games, clothes, and other things just for signing up for info.


I don't see why things have to be fair. I think it'd be stupid to lower drinking age to 18 then. "Okay, here's a gun and some alcohol!" just doesn't seem like a great idea to me. Plus, even without alcohol that age group is most prone to vehicular accidents, now you want to make them drunk? Sorry if things aren't fair and you're getting letters, but thats just how things work. If you decline then at least for me and my friends they stop sending them. And how is trying to recruit you out of high school wrong? If you're 17 and you think playing a video game is going to be like joining the military then you're idiotic in the first place. Also, they DO use games in their training tactics, so, thats legit. Clothes? I'd wear an ARMY shirt if my friend sent me one or anything like that, I support them 100%, whats wrong with getting clothes? You can always decline their offer. Posters? I'm not at least going to be "WOW, A POSTER! NOW I GOTTA JOIN THE MILITARY!" and thats just signing up for INFORMATION like you said. You're under no obligation to join. And how is recruiting out of High Schools wrong? Have you honestly ever spent time to talk to one of those recruiters 1 on 1 when they're not trying to recruit you?


Edit: "If we can't get a handgun then why give us snipers, machine guns, and explosives?"

A. You're being surrounded by professionals where hurting someone is minimal and they're teaching you to control your actions and aim correctly.
B. You're under supervision. You want to sell C4, snipers and machine guns to a bunch of 18 year olds at the local gun store, then have them get alcohol next door? I don't understand your logic at all... Can you at least explain WHY it should be raised to make things more fair better? I'm curious to figure out good advantages to it.
C. Once again, supervision, supervision, supervision. You're under control in a safe area. I don't want kids to buy military snipers and machine guns at my local gun store. Does no one remember the DC shooter?
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"here is a machine gun and some hand grenades" at 18. "oh by the way, you can't leave for 3 years."

I am 17 now and I get around 2 letters a week asking me to join and telling me how wonderful it is. They send you stuff so you will think about it every time you see it. They do always have military booths at schools and promise how nice it is. I know someone that joined right out of highschool, and gets to leave in December and he said that 80% of what they say is sugar coated.

What about our right to bear arms? I am not saying that I want a handgun. I think that people should be mentally approved before they can buy weapons. But even under supervision. All it takes is 3 sec to turn the gun and fire on fellow soldiers. People do what they want, just because they are supervised doesn't mean that they wont.
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digs wrote:

"here is a machine gun and some hand grenades" at 18. "oh by the way, you can't leave for 3 years."

I am 17 now and I get around 2 letters a week asking me to join and telling me how wonderful it is. They send you stuff so you will think about it every time you see it. They do always have military booths at schools and promise how nice it is. I know someone that joined right out of highschool, and gets to leave in December and he said that 80% of what they say is sugar coated.


Once again, my friend said joining was the best decision in his life, and hes not trying to recruit me. Sorry that some people BELIEVE that military is nice. And how many friends do you have in the military? Just that one guy? Did he read all the contracts or just sign em? They explain everything FULLY to anyone that reads what they're supposed to sign. My friend's biological dad and step-father are both high up in the military, and I can assure you that everything that they say may SOUND sugar coded, because thats what they believe, that LOVE IT, thats why they joined. If you read everything and look into it before you join you know exactly what you're getting into. And as for not being able to leave for x years, thats definitely in the contract. I'll bet my life savings on it.
Posted 7/13/07
No offense digs but your friend is an idiot if he believed for one instant that there was something sugary and sweet about being in the military and possibly dying. Not even highschoolers should be that stupid.
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its not really selling yourself to be a dog to the miliatary .
but think carefully after u go through military this part of life , people do tend to get more mature and think maturely . for those guys whose childish or wadever this might a good catch to them as when they are tired inside military camps , they tend to think " ya studying is much more comfortable than in here " . then they will strive their best in studies
well this is for some people not all .
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