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Military recruitment and age
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Posted 7/13/07
In the Army they allow 17 year olds to join the army but I think it is unethical to have it that low because there not ready for war and they think war is a grand place to kill ppl but it is really a horrified battle zone!
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i believe that its 18 but depend what type of military ur talking about >.>
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Posted 7/13/07

Jorlwind wrote:


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xidiya wrote:

No offense digs but your friend is an idiot if he believed for one instant that there was something sugary and sweet about being in the military and possibly dying. Not even highschoolers should be that stupid.


Believe it or not, becoming a highly trained elite killing machine is enough sugar coating for some of us (especially me)


I know a guy in the military, he's a striker repairman. All he does all day is sit in a housing area and sweeps the place all day for a pretty nice salary. That's a sweet job, so they are there in the military.
Not saying all of them are though, I would never go military.

Not all of them are highly trained killing machines. In fact, in a hand fight you might not have such a bad chance against a military man if your experienced. They're trained to shoot with a bit of judo. that's all. Training alone doesn't make you a bad-ass, you need mentality.



Well I was mostly speaking of the marines, they emphasize that all marines are infantry before anything else
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Not really, you are only discharged on extreme conditions. And if it isn't an honorable discharge then you can be punished. I am just saying that they should raise the age, because if 18 is too young to drink. then it is sure as heck to young to be sent overseas and shooting at the enemy while getting shot at.
Posted 7/13/07

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xidiya wrote:

No offense digs but your friend is an idiot if he believed for one instant that there was something sugary and sweet about being in the military and possibly dying. Not even highschoolers should be that stupid.


But when you are desperate don't have the money for a college education, someone that comes and say that they will pay you and give you a free college education is like god.

They do sugar coat everything like saying how nice it is (Don't believe me look at those retarded commercials they spew out). Most people think that they won't be sent to Iraq. maybe some other place but not Iraq. But the truth is you are going to go there and if you are going anywhere in the middle -east you do have a higher chance of dying.


If you REALLY want to go to college that badly you can do what I did and take out loans. You don't have to agree to possibly dying for your country. Even if you have bad credit you can still get federal loans.
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I never said it was a desk job, I am saying desk jobs don't make you stay. You can always quit, but with the military you are branded into this large legal contract for many years. good if people think it's fun. But most 18 year olds think killing and living like a soldier is fun. I am just saying that 21 would be a more appropriate age because you are more mature. The military preys on teens just coming out of highschool who don't really have a plan yet. so they join the military as a last resort because there isn't anything left for them.


I also don't like how the commercials make you seem like a better person and more "masculine" for joining the military. It is a touch job yes. But does putting up with retarded boot camp leaders and generals that treat you like crap really make you more masculine? It's like you become their slave.


Um, desk jobs can make you stay actually... it really depends on where you work. It kinda is the point of the contract. And maybe you can't "quit" the military, but you can definitely get an (dis)honorable discharge. And with the "The military preys on teens just coming out of highschool who don't really have a plan yet. so they join the military as a last resort because there isn't anything left for them." statement you've actually started to piss me off. You're way too narrow-minded. Believe it or not but some people actually join for other reasons and those that do join after an experience with them don't feel that they were preyed on. And Jesus Christ, if the commercials were meant to make you feel more masculine they would've kept with "An Army of one" and still showed the commercial with the guy slaying the dragon. Instead of the new "When someone asks if you have leadership skills, try to not smile." Yeah, that makes me feel sooo masculine ¬_¬ And you're not their freaking slave, but of course you gotta do what they say. WTF is the point of the military if you can just leisurely do what you want at your own pace? Its supposed to be hard and you're supposed to be treated like crap. v_v

Now, if you think our bootcamp is bad I'll try to find that video of the military training used by a foreign Asian country, which I can't place right now. They were hit with sledgehammers, had to dodge people throwing knifes at them, whipped when they couldn't do something, and had to do all kinds of hard tasks.
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In the time you spend in the military, you could get a student loan and already have an associates degree. I am just saying that the military preys on 18 year olds that come straight from High School. That is why most recruitment techniques are geared toward that age.

^I am saying that the military is bad. I am saying that 18 year olds should not be allowed in. You should be at least 21. post high school is a rough age and shouldn't be preyed on.

If some one's idea of enjoyment is going out to foreign countries and killing people then that is just a little disturbing. My main issue is, if you can join the military at 18, then you should be allowed to have all other rights at that age.
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xidiya wrote:


happyxix wrote:


xidiya wrote:

No offense digs but your friend is an idiot if he believed for one instant that there was something sugary and sweet about being in the military and possibly dying. Not even highschoolers should be that stupid.


But when you are desperate don't have the money for a college education, someone that comes and say that they will pay you and give you a free college education is like god.

They do sugar coat everything like saying how nice it is (Don't believe me look at those retarded commercials they spew out). Most people think that they won't be sent to Iraq. maybe some other place but not Iraq. But the truth is you are going to go there and if you are going anywhere in the middle -east you do have a higher chance of dying.


if you REALLY want to go to college that badly you can do what I did and take out loans. You don't have to agree to possibly dying for your country. Even if you have bad credit you can still get federal loans.


What if you're an illegal resident?

Loans which cost money or free everything + money?

Its almost is a no brainer choice when you are desperate, you don't see the other things that comes with the catch.
Posted 7/13/07
If you're an illegal you theoretically can't get into the army either. You have to be a permanent legal resident or US citizen.

When it comes down to it, joing the military is all a matter of your own free will or stupidity. It's the same w/ anything in life. If you succumb to the inducement it's always of your own free will.

I do however think the age limit to join should be raised as I don't have a very high opinion of highschoolers or newly graduated highschool seniors and their intellect.
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I know a Canadian who became a US citizen and he wasn't allowed to join the marines, so he joined the army reserves. The government is pretty quick with letting people join the military vs letting people immigrate here. Heck, it took 13 weeks for my passport to get approved, I bet it takes like 2 to join the military.
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In Victoria, at 18 you become an adult. This gives you the right to drink, get a driver's licence, vote and join the army. They must push a lot harder for recruitment in America. My son turned 18 this year and no-one has contacted him. Representatives of the armed forces did come to his high school to talk to all the year 10 students (aged 15 or 16), they do this in a lot of schools every year.

A form of military recruitment that no-one has mentioned is officer training college. In Australia this is located at Duntroon, near Canberra. Young people go there, study for a university degree through the armed forces and are guaranteed a certain rank when they finish (not sure which rank). I'm not sure if there is a minimum age, but you have to have finished the last year of high school with good marks (most people complete year 12 aged 17 or 18).
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If u give citizenship for joining the army, i bet many individuals who r here illegally would love to have good pay, 3 meals a day and citizenship....
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Well.. I think 20 is okay.. or 19.. because those ages are closer to the age 21.
Hmm.. I guess joining at any age is okay because I used to go to Navy Cadets and us kids are getting smarter.. so Any age above 18 is okay.
Posted 7/13/07
i think age 18 is ok. for the benefits you get, its reasonable. they should lower the drinking age to 18 again and the military should be drinkin free beer. also if the age for recruitement increases, so would the age for legal adulthood.
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skygod333 wrote:

i think age 18 is ok. for the benefits you get, its reasonable. they should lower the drinking age to 18 again and the military should be drinkin free beer. also if the age for recruitement increases, so would the age for legal adulthood.


Technically, you can drink booz while you're on base, that is what my friend told me.
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