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Posted 6/26/17 , edited 6/27/17
Alright listen up anime fans!
Everyone and there grandma knows that crunchyroll doesn't have all the anime we want, Right? So Noble over at Lost Pause did a rant on this today(June 26, 2017) and brought up some good points that need attention. Here is his video on this topic, even if you don't like him, watch it anyway, we need to have this system to stop the pirating of anime for good. As well as have a place where all anime old and new is available to everyone. Please repost this to get the word around, it would be awesome if the guys over at crunchyroll were able to set something like this up. Please Help!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9-8_k2xzXU
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Posted 6/26/17 , edited 6/27/17
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I think it's safe to say this thread will get locked soon due to the fact it's promoting piracy
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Posted 6/26/17 , edited 6/27/17
Is someone holding a gun to your head saying they'll pull the trigger if you don't watch anime not on services you pay for or watch ads on? You're not being forced to (refuse to watch the video due to that title).
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ye know this something of a hobby
not a way of life, i have pirate a fair
amount of anime, but i know when is wrong do it.
But if ye paying for a service than ye
getting what you pay for.
but when ye can get favoriter show,
then you just have to suck it up.
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Posted 6/26/17 , edited 6/27/17
so i actually watched it, and here's the reasons he gave to justify piracy:
reason #0: [pirating is] just like jaywalking
reason #1: [owning anime merchandise] extremely expensive
reason #2: official streaming sources don't provide all anime in one place
reason #3: official streaming sources don't have license to stream all their content to all parts of the world (region block)
reason #4: some series may become unavailable on official streaming sources due to licensing issues.
reason #5: some series don't get translated
reason #6: fansubs are better than official subs sometimes
reason #troll: it's too easy to pirate

reason #0: no comment is needed as the reason given here makes 0 sense.
reason #1: anime merchandise is indeed expensive, but this is probably because the average consumer in Japan may have more disposable income, but it could be wrong.
a regular manga volume in Japan costs the equivalent of $3 - 6 usd, but due to costs of importing and the tariffs imposed by the US government, the cost of the same manga volume is between $7 - 15. one way to encourage people buying more manga would be to reduce the tariffs, but let's be honest - why would the government lower the tariff when they get good revenue out of thin air? the same also applies to other anime merchandises, though some series have a license and sell for a more agreeable price.
a raw blu-ray with 2 episodes would set you back between $40 - 60, but if the series is licensed (example: sentai), you might find the complete series for $30. the costs of anime merchandise can quickly add up.

reason #2-4: capitalism at it's finest. it's not the company's fault that they can't get all the license to all series and have the license to distribute it to the entire world. maybe in a distopian world, but not currently possible.

reason #5: official sources for untranslated series do exist. depending on the series and whether it's currently airing or not, you might only be able to get it with a paid subscription, which i guess reinforces point #2

reason #6: all subs are terrible in their own way

edit:
the guy talks about over 10k series on MAL, as if that's somehow relevant. we don't need to own or watch every series ever aired and every anime bluray / manga ever produced.


nate101686 wrote:

I think it's safe to say this thread will get locked soon due to the fact it's promoting piracy

the guy - who seems to have spent a considerable amount of money on anime merchandise himself - is just trying to explain why people pirate the series. can't say his points are all that strong though, except maybe for point #1
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/27/17

namealreadytaken wrote:
reason #troll: it's too easy to pirate


I think that's the biggest issue. Another way to put it would be convenience.
As long as pirating TV stuff (not only anime) is so easy and risk free, people are not going to swap to legal services. Look at PC games before the coming of Steam. Before it wasn't uncommon to have several friends pirate games because reasons, nowadays I struggle to find a single person that still does that. Why? It's not convenient. You wait for a steam sale and you get the games you want for cheap, without risks and with relatively frequent patches to keep your games updated. And steam surely doesn't have all games, but once you start using a legal service it's not as hard to use others (like origin).
I don't know how they could make pirating shows less convenient. Blocking a few popular sites once every X years is not the way for sure. But I think it is becoming more and more convenient to use legal services such as CR and co.
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/27/17

An4thor wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:
reason #troll: it's too easy to pirate


I think that's the biggest issue. Another way to put it would be convenience.
As long as pirating TV stuff (not only anime) is so easy and risk free, people are not going to swap to legal services. Look at PC games before the coming of Steam. Before it wasn't uncommon to have several friends pirate games because reasons, nowadays I struggle to find a single person that still does that. Why? It's not convenient. You wait for a steam sale and you get the games you want for cheap, without risks and with relatively frequent patches to keep your games updated. And steam surely doesn't have all games, but once you start using a legal service it's not as hard to use others (like origin).
I don't know how they could make pirating shows less convenient. Blocking a few popular sites once every X years is not the way for sure. But I think it is becoming more and more convenient to use legal services such as CR and co.


TV probably don't have anywhere near the same problem with piracy compared to anime.
tv series such as friends, grey's anatomy, etc are pretty affordable, and widely available in virtually all electronics retailers as well as through online services such as amazon. why spend a ton of computer resources and risk getting caught when you can buy an entire tv season for only $10 or so? by comparison, you'd be lucky if a single anime season series is licensed, and thus available for around $30.
pretty much the only sub-$20 anime available in electronics stores are the guibli movies, and only because of the partnership with Disney.

i'd venture a guess that the only places where TV (not anime) piracy is more widespread is in countries where, much like anime, it's either unavailable due to licensing restrictions / region block, or it costs significantly more to buy the dvds/blurays.

rather than making pirating less convenient, they should make legal sources more convenient. they could start by lifting region-blocks, so people could, for example, watch anime from Amazon Japan (currently, even if you're willing to pay you're locked out).
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/28/17
thought this thread was gonna be about one piece
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/28/17
Anime old and new is available. And to anyone. Go out there and look for it- it's available on VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, and for stream.
If you millenials are too fucking lazy to get it anywhere else but streaming it online, then that's a problem you'll have to confront. Pirating is illegal, and lame attempts at justifying it are not valid. End of story.
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/27/17
Clickbait ho!
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/28/17

KingKaio wrote: Pirating is illegal, and lame attempts at justifying it are not valid. End of story.
Exactly, and I don't get why people feel the need to justify it.

I pirate anime all the time and I don't give a [email protected]
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/28/17
As long as it is legally available at a reasonable price I will use a legal source. Heck I will even wait for that legal source to get their ass in gear (looking at you Netflix )

At present the only source I consider unreasonable is Amazon. Double Paywall is not cool, even if they were available in my country. I'm hoping HiDive ends up being a good legal alternative to Amazon
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Posted 6/27/17 , edited 6/28/17
Unless there's a legal streaming site free, no ads, no region locking, and has every anime ever made on it, some people will still feel justified in piracy. Hell, if the comments from the video are any indication, some people won't even need justification judging by the amount of comments that basically read as "Yay, INSERT PIRATE SITE HERE".

EDIT: Granted, licencing issues and things like that sucks and some companies (Netflix and Amazon stand out the most) should do better at providing god access to anime, it's just that some people seem to look for excuses to pirate.
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