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Posted 6/28/17

official-shinsengumi wrote:


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If people don't like America, then it is their duty to change it for the better. America is NOT the best country in the world, but yeah there are some that are worse. Not everyone says that gays are ok though... conversion therapy still exists (which is psychological torture and can lead to suicide)


So like, you love America? Even the fact that we spend more on military than any other country, incarcerate more people than any other country, really high costs for prescription drugs and health care...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/american-exceptionalism_n_4170683.html



So you think we should stop policing the world and let countries defend themselves again instead of US doing it for them? Reduce our military and let countries do their own thing again?


Not necessarily. What really sucks is that we spend so much on military, and yet we don't spend much on veterans! They risk their lives, their mental health, and to come back to the US to possibly face homelessness!



Veterans/soldiers are disposable. You are signing your life away when you enter the military. And they have no need to give decent support to veterans as they a chess piece that has accomplished its mission thus are no longer of use.
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rawratl wrote:

Is democrates a Greek philosopher?


Well, as a matter of fact, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrates

OP, crunchyroll is perfectly fine for discussing politics, imo. it has a pretty diverse set of forums that allow for this kind of discussion, despite all the trashtalking and annoying threads. Plenty of other sites have this going on, too. There is a whole segment of the forums here devoted purely to anime and manga, so if that's all you want, just hang around there. But I don't see a reason to be upset that there is a forum for pretty much whatever.


haha, I thought so. Perhaps he was trying to make a broader statement about his distaste for philosophical differences and gay people. His statements about people being trash and the rest of the world being poverty stricken were more aimed at creating discussion about ethnocentricity. I remember that from Phil 1100. Quite an ingenious way to start the whole discussion.
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Politics aside what's up with the gay bashing? You're not really giving us anything of substance. It just comes across as ignorant homophobia & hate.

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Almost none of the comments here are useful for anything besides self-satisfaction. What does it do to rant incoherently about "loser gays", post memes to mock said rant, complain about its spelling, and reflexively defend nonsense just because it's associated with your side? I'll tell you what it does:

1. Polarize people further.
2. Make you feel good about being polarized, and think that you're superior to your enemies, who are less than human.
3. Drag the entire world down with you.

The paradigm that tells us never to let an attack go unanswered, lest it sway someone, does not work. At least not in this kind of situation, and especially not when everyone's being so combative. For an answer to an attack does not merely counter its factual content. It also sets a tone. And the way in which an argument is conveyed can easily be more important than the content of the argument itself. Though the original post is clearly all over the place and very offensive, it at least started at the right place: this is an anime site, so what is it that we're doing arguing politics? What makes us do so, and why is the result a bigger mess than the Augean stables?

What is it exactly that makes any one of us think that he or she has the standing or the ability to make pronouncements to the rest of the world? I don't know the answer, but I know that the internet has made the ability of every single person to respond, to have their say, essentially free. I think this has taught everyone to jump into every argument, regardless of their qualifications and regardless of their goals. And because we're so individualistic (at least in the Western world), we see an attack on the views we hold as an attack on us ourselves - and we require ourselves to be able to defend absolutely everything we think. Further, we've begun to define ourselves by our political and moral views (we also define ourselves by our labor, but that's another issue), and the internet encourages this too, simply by talking so much about politics. If tonight's headlines blared, "Public, Media Needlessly Inflaming Politics to Satisfy Personal Emptiness", and we spent weeks having talking heads discuss social media manipulation and psychology, we'd almost certainly be talking in a different fashion about different things. If this went on long enough, we'd even change how we interact with people in general. As it is now, we've been inculcated with a democratic, anti-intellectual urgency to participate in absolutely every battle - we're all activists fighting the power and educating the sheeple, even though in reality that's exactly what makes us mindless and subservient.

We need to give up on this outsized view of our own importance. I suggest we start by shutting up. That alone will wash away so much bullshit. The next step is then to find an actual expert and start listening. I've been listening to the lecture series "Philosophy and Human Values" by Rick Roderick, who was a philosophy professor at Duke University in the '90s. The series is intended for a general audience, and even though they were filmed 25 years ago, they're all incredibly relevant to ethical and social life today. The guy's a really engaging lecturer, and he probably has the best accent in the history of philosophy. Here's the first lecture. Listen to the whole thing, and then listen to the rest of the lectures, too.
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gubberjk wrote:

alot of people run that mouth and say alot of things.
but one more time if you dislike america and the way things run go outside of america and live in another country .



He Canadian. He already lives outside of America. :/
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Bring back extended discussion. Baker merged these forums then was going to see how it played out on a trial basis. But he left Crunchyroll instead a couple months later, and no employee has stepped in since then who gives a damn about the forums. It's been two years pretty much nothing but reposted clickbait news and political rants posted endlessly by just a handful of users.
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Posted 6/28/17

HateKillingCamels wrote:

Man if only there was some way of not having to post on a thread about politics, or maybe even identifying whether a thread is political or not by reading the title.


^ Clickbaited
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I've been Poli-rolled
it is like
being Rick-rolled of yesteryear
but to a political thread.
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Balzack wrote:

Bring back extended discussion. Baker merged these forums then was going to see how it played out on a trial basis. But he left Crunchyroll instead a couple months later, and no employee has stepped in since then who gives a damn about the forums. It's been two years pretty much nothing but reposted clickbait news and political rants posted endlessly by just a handful of users.


It wasn't just Baker. Baker, along with all the moderators discussed it and reached that decision, and it wasn't done with the intent of being a "trial"--more that if it failed drastically, we were open to future change. I also believe it was longer than a "couple" of months between the time those changes happened and when Baker left CR.

I think the merge worked pretty well for a long time. However, political events over the last year or so, and a generally more heated political environment all around, did result in increased political activity in the forums.

There has been discussion during the last few months about breaking the political and controversial issues threads into a separate forum area, but no action has been taken due to some combination of a solid decision not being made and the need for resources to make the forum change that aren't immediately available.
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Balzack wrote:

Bring back extended discussion. Baker merged these forums then was going to see how it played out on a trial basis. But he left Crunchyroll instead a couple months later, and no employee has stepped in since then who gives a damn about the forums. It's been two years pretty much nothing but reposted clickbait news and political rants posted endlessly by just a handful of users.


It wasn't just Baker. Baker, along with all the moderators discussed it and reached that decision, and it wasn't done with the intent of being a "trial"--more that if it failed drastically, we were open to future change. I also believe it was longer than a "couple" of months between the time those changes happened and when Baker left CR.

I think the merge worked pretty well for a long time. However, political events over the last year or so, and a generally more heated political environment all around, did result in increased political activity in the forums.

There has been discussion during the last few months about breaking the political and controversial issues threads into a separate forum area, but no action has been taken due to some combination of a solid decision not being made and the need for resources to make the forum change that aren't immediately available.

I actually see we do have some great posters in crunchyroll .
but ?
regardless
nobody not here or anywere can argue about polotics and be in the right frame of mind to discuss any other subject .
why ?
because mixing polotics in a internet forum is a mix for disaster .
I love ya much
just leave polotics out .
be happy each day
and show everyone how smart you people are about anime .
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Posted 6/28/17

official-shinsengumi wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


official-shinsengumi wrote:

If people don't like America, then it is their duty to change it for the better. America is NOT the best country in the world, but yeah there are some that are worse. Not everyone says that gays are ok though... conversion therapy still exists (which is psychological torture and can lead to suicide)


So like, you love America? Even the fact that we spend more on military than any other country, incarcerate more people than any other country, really high costs for prescription drugs and health care...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/american-exceptionalism_n_4170683.html



So you think we should stop policing the world and let countries defend themselves again instead of US doing it for them? Reduce our military and let countries do their own thing again?


Not necessarily. What really sucks is that we spend so much on military, and yet we don't spend much on veterans! They risk their lives, their mental health, and to come back to the US to possibly face homelessness!



To reduce spending means to reduce our global military presence which is keeping some countries from starting wars. Though I am all for defending other countries less and caring for our vets more and agree with helping them out more.
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Is democrates a Greek philosopher? Im noticing a lot of people on your side of the fence completely lack the ability to spell.

Aside from that, I like how you bitched about political threads and immediately starting whining about "democrates" and gays. Wtf are you even on about? Obvious troll, please feel free to leave America.


Why don't you move to Mexico? It's a liberal haven!

If Trump Wins, Don’t Move To Canada  —  Move To Mexico

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/if-trump-wins-dont-move-to-canadamove-to-mexico_us_57b727aee4b007f18197eb1a
Posted 6/28/17

gubberjk wrote:
First of all, I highly doubt crunchyroll is the site to talk politics.

Secondly, now I come here to get away from all the stupid idiotic crap from loser Democrats and homosexuals. Here is my take on homosexuals: It tooks years for them to be accepted by the community, correct? So when they are finally excepted (and everyone says "Okay") why do they act twice as stupid before?


I used to think that this forum wasn't really the best place to discuss politics. I still think that there are too many people trying to push their own political narrative on General Discussion (more so than not).

In regard to your perspective of homosexuality and homosexuals, your view of them acting "twice as stupid" is more or less a group of people attempting to step up from "half-hearted accepted" to an "equal group of people to that of heterosexuals".


gubberjk wrote:
First of all on politics, they ruin the ability for people to have conversations about anything else. In other words, people who talks about politics argue "tooth and nail" and carry a lot of anger with them. When this happens in a place where young minds are present, things get distorted and out of place.

Generally, the person waffling is worthless. Let me just say things are changing.


I agree, to a point. A lot of people need that vindication on a forum where they're only arguing with people about politics. Essentially, most of the conservatives that are fighting "tooth and nail" on Crunchyroll are those who have spent an excessive amount of time on other sites being politically-focused. Same goes for the vast majority of the liberals on here too.

Most of those who have to deal with the ongoing conversations, shitposts, and "lulz <insert politican here>" threats are going to be 13-19 years old without any experience out in the world. Due to the nature of the internet, they're going to be exposed to this either if they're on Crunchyroll or Reddit or even Facebook. Not much can be done about that.


gubberjk wrote:
People say "I don't like the way things are in America."
REALLY? Have you been or lived anywhere other than America? If you have, then you must know we (Americans) have it real good. Not like the rest of the world who is fastly becoming poverty stricken.

So my advice to trash-talkers and trash period is: "If you don't like America leave and move where you think you'll be happy. Then, find out how good you have it here.

Have a nice day.


I've lived or traveled to a smorgasbord of countries (China, South Korea, Japan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Russia, Germany, France, Japan, Spain, Egypt, ... the list goes on and on). When I mean "traveled", I don't mean one or two weeks in most cases. If I'm not on vacation, then it's usually at least 4 weeks (upwards to 12-20 weeks).

America can do better. This isn't to do with Trump or Obama or Hillary - it's about the country as a whole. America isn't the same as it used to be in the 50's and 60's (it was far more "socialist" in many ways back then; just with a stronger focus on personal responsibility). This is to do with the country overall. We don't look out for our own, we cast aside homelessness as a personal issue that we shouldn't even bother with, we don't care about the fellow man or woman that lives in the same country because they're stealing "our" tax dollars to survive another day, and the government is a clusterfuck altogether.

The rest of the world isn't falling into poverty. America is falling into the same hole you're painting for the rest of the world, just without any concern for the common American. Some parts of the world will always be filled with poverty. For example, I'm against the class system you see in India (you're either ridiculously wealthy or living on the streets - there are so few that reside in a mutual "in-between" in India). I don't agree with it and I try to help out where I can, but their society has gladly accepted this realm (in some ways, I fear that Americans are headed to a similar class system).

I've moved away - I only came back to help my grandparents, which ended up with me taking care of them for eight years before I realized that I would have to put them up into a nursing home to ensure they got the medical treatment required to keep them living. From there, I released the latch on work - allowing them to send me all over the world.

Note: I did correct your post in my quotes just to make more sense out of them.
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Posted 6/28/17

Rujikin wrote:


rawratl wrote:

Is democrates a Greek philosopher? Im noticing a lot of people on your side of the fence completely lack the ability to spell.

Aside from that, I like how you bitched about political threads and immediately starting whining about "democrates" and gays. Wtf are you even on about? Obvious troll, please feel free to leave America.


Why don't you move to Mexico? It's a liberal haven!

If Trump Wins, Don’t Move To Canada  —  Move To Mexico

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/if-trump-wins-dont-move-to-canadamove-to-mexico_us_57b727aee4b007f18197eb1a


When did I say anything about me moving? I make good money and am perfectly content where I'm at. Content to watch it all burn.
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