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Like an MMORPG, having windows for free while having other add ons like Microsoft Office charged
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There are ways to get it free from a college university or from employment. I got mine for free because back in the day I worked at Microsoft main campus.
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Aren't they going to stop supporting it soon
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Windows XP isn't free. If it was Microsoft would go out of business as everyone would just modify it instead of buying windows 10.
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Windows XP isn't free. If it was Microsoft would go out of business as everyone would just modify it instead of buying windows 10.


Ya, no one is competing with Microsoft because it is the only operating system out there for gaming..............going to sleep night night
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Rujikin wrote:

Windows XP isn't free. If it was Microsoft would go out of business as everyone would just modify it instead of buying windows 10.


Ya, no one is competing with Microsoft because it is the only operating system out there for gaming..............going to sleep night night


Linux is competing. I have about 5 friends who would convert to linux right now if it wasn't for fallout/skyrim not playing on it. The main thing keeping microsoft alive in households is games. Once games move to vulkan and become platform agnostic then Microsoft is screwed and will be hanging on from businesses.

I've already converted quite a few to linux.
Posted 6/28/17

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Linux is competing. I have about 5 friends who would convert to linux right now if it wasn't for fallout/skyrim not playing on it. The main thing keeping microsoft alive in households is games. Once games move to vulkan and become platform agnostic then Microsoft is screwed and will be hanging on from businesses.

I've already converted quite a few to linux.


Even after working in IT for 18 years (off and on), I would never recommend Linux for home use. I'd rather recommend MacOS over Linux if it came down to the whole "M$ is an evil corporation hell bent on stealing muh privacies!" mentality. The thing that diverts the attention of a luser (lulz) is diversity. There's always going to be that one guy (like yourself) who will recommend something that they, personally, are using - despite not knowing that there's an army of other distributions out there that may actually be significantly better or safer. I mean look at this list of Linux distros - it's endless.

You can pick any random one that is still actively getting developed and it'll have all the features of whatever branch before it and its "parent kernel/branch" -- plus whatever odd "specialty" features that are added into the OS (like Linux Mint - which is a bastard of a bastard of a bastard). Needless to say, Linux still isn't able to compete with Windows when it comes to gaming. Vulkan may cause a slightly better multi-OS crossplay environment for those who are already on Linux but it just won't have the optimized drivers, features, and so forth that you find on Windows (or more specifically, Windows 10).

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Windows XP is no longer being supported by Microsoft. Giving out free copies would be more damning to their reputation than just letting XP die in the fire that it should have died in a decade ago. Without supporting the OS altogether, the common user wouldn't be interesting due to whatever issues that may come from it (and many manufacturers wouldn't officially support it, thus forcing you to come up with your own drivers that are going to work on Windows). It's a chain reaction - small issues would become large ones over time (snowball) and nobody would even bother trying to help you with them on an official level.

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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 6/28/17

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Rujikin wrote:
Linux is competing. I have about 5 friends who would convert to linux right now if it wasn't for fallout/skyrim not playing on it. The main thing keeping microsoft alive in households is games. Once games move to vulkan and become platform agnostic then Microsoft is screwed and will be hanging on from businesses.

I've already converted quite a few to linux.


Even after working in IT for 18 years (off and on), I would never recommend Linux for home use. I'd rather recommend MacOS over Linux if it came down to the whole "M$ is an evil corporation hell bent on stealing muh privacies!" mentality. The thing that diverts the attention of a luser (lulz) is diversity. There's always going to be that one guy (like yourself) who will recommend something that they, personally, are using - despite not knowing that there's an army of other distributions out there that may actually be significantly better or safer. I mean look at this list of Linux distros - it's endless.

You can pick any random one that is still actively getting developed and it'll have all the features of whatever branch before it and its "parent kernel/branch" -- plus whatever odd "specialty" features that are added into the OS (like Linux Mint - which is a bastard of a bastard of a bastard). Needless to say, Linux still isn't able to compete with Windows when it comes to gaming. Vulkan may cause a slightly better multi-OS crossplay environment for those who are already on Linux but it just won't have the optimized drivers, features, and so forth that you find on Windows (or more specifically, Windows 10).

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Windows XP is no longer being supported by Microsoft. Giving out free copies would be more damning to their reputation than just letting XP die in the fire that it should have died in a decade ago. Without supporting the OS altogether, the common user wouldn't be interesting due to whatever issues that may come from it (and many manufacturers wouldn't officially support it, thus forcing you to come up with your own drivers that are going to work on Windows). It's a chain reaction - small issues would become large ones over time (snowball) and nobody would even bother trying to help you with them on an official level.



Apple exerts far more control over your computer than windows, though with windows 10 that may soon not be the case for long.

What is best is what is a balance between usability, features, and security. Ubuntu, and Linux mint have a good balance and are an easy transition for new people jumping into linux. They are still many times more secure than Windows but they have most of the programs a normie would need and a familiar interface. I've converted quite a few people with little computer knowledge to Linux mint because their windows made their computer near unusable. They picked up the basics and got going pretty well. They've been quite happy with it and like it a LOT more than their old windows OS.

Your getting too distracted to not see the basics of what a computer is for. Most people view it as something to send emails, browse the internet, and listen to music on. Linux mint does all of those very well. People have needs and Linux Mint fits those needs plus it is similar to the windows that they are used to so the transition is easy instead of getting lost in Distro-hell.

My drivers are just fine on linux. Nvidia has pretty good drivers and driver support.



The market has chosen Ubuntu's ways as the preferred method.
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Windows 10 is just Microsoft catching up to the same data collection as Android, FireOS (Android Derivative made by Amazon), Mac OS, and IOS. All of that is Microsoft going to a Windows as a service model so they want to make money from your data. would not be surprised if the bigger Linux distros start doing the same at some point to make extra money
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HateKillingCamels wrote:

Aren't they going to stop supporting it soon


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Zavinus wrote:


HateKillingCamels wrote:

Aren't they going to stop supporting it soon




oh seems I have years left then thanks
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Rujikin wrote:


fredreload wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

Windows XP isn't free. If it was Microsoft would go out of business as everyone would just modify it instead of buying windows 10.


Ya, no one is competing with Microsoft because it is the only operating system out there for gaming..............going to sleep night night


Linux is competing. I have about 5 friends who would convert to linux right now if it wasn't for fallout/skyrim not playing on it. The main thing keeping microsoft alive in households is games. Once games move to vulkan and become platform agnostic then Microsoft is screwed and will be hanging on from businesses.

I've already converted quite a few to linux.


Now now Microsoft still deserves a break , as much as I have problems about the operating system crashing and not being a hierarchial system it still functions a bit more efficient than the Linux system, well I've only ran Linux system on Virtual Box so I can't say.

Anyhow I'm not against Linux system, if it runs the game Black Desert Online, I'd convert to it for it's stable platform.

With that said I am not anywhere as experienced as the tech giants on the operating systems, this is more of a consumer analysis
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fredreload wrote:

Now now Microsoft still deserves a break , as much as I have problems about the operating system crashing and not being a hierarchial system it still functions a bit more efficient than the Linux system, well I've only ran Linux system on Virtual Box so I can't say.

Anyhow I'm not against Linux system, if it runs the game Black Desert Online, I'd convert to it for it's stable platform.

With that said I am not anywhere as experienced as the tech giants on the operating systems, this is more of a consumer analysis


Can't say I have run Linux in a windows virtual box before so I'm not sure what that does to it. I run Linux mint and it boots up with 700mb of ram being used. The CPU use is very low and it boots up in 20 seconds with a fully encrypted hard drive. I use Nvidia and they have pretty good driver support for their GPU so its competitive with the windows drivers.

I've ran the thing for 2 weeks with tons of programs up and had 0 issues. I've been quite happy with it as I have to do a whole lot less maintenance on it than with my windows.
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Aren't they going to stop supporting it soon


support ended Jan 2015 but you will continue to receive security patches until Jan 2020
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2475079,00.asp
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Rujikin wrote:

Can't say I have run Linux in a windows virtual box before so I'm not sure what that does to it. I run Linux mint and it boots up with 700mb of ram being used. The CPU use is very low and it boots up in 20 seconds with a fully encrypted hard drive. I use Nvidia and they have pretty good driver support for their GPU so its competitive with the windows drivers.

I've ran the thing for 2 weeks with tons of programs up and had 0 issues. I've been quite happy with it as I have to do a whole lot less maintenance on it than with my windows.
Mint's actually pretty stable, much more so than straight Ubuntu, and is the one I tend to recommend to people getting into Linux for the first time.

Both my Debian boxes can run for 6-7 months at a time without a shutdown to give an idea of how long a box can run. I only really shut them down to clean out the dust to be honest.



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