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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 7/1/17
As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.
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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 7/1/17

Rujikin wrote:

As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.

No one is disputing their right to do it. But 50GB is not a lot by any means to someone who is capable of using up 1TB.

Obviously, that is the point, but then they might as well just shut off any non basic usage from the user at that point.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.

No one is disputing their right to do it. But 50GB is not a lot by any means to someone who is capable of using up 1TB.

Obviously, that is the point, but then they might as well just shut off any non basic usage from the user at that point.


They can't shut off non basic usage. Most of its encrypted so they can't analyze it and analyzing it would slow everything else down. Throttling or pay per XXXGB after is the easiest way to do it without affecting other customers.
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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 7/1/17

Rujikin wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.

No one is disputing their right to do it. But 50GB is not a lot by any means to someone who is capable of using up 1TB.

Obviously, that is the point, but then they might as well just shut off any non basic usage from the user at that point.


They can't shut off non basic usage. Most of its encrypted so they can't analyze it and analyzing it would slow everything else down. Throttling or pay per XXXGB after is the easiest way to do it without affecting other customers.

I was speaking figuratively. And yes, throttling was along the lines of what I was talking about.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.

No one is disputing their right to do it. But 50GB is not a lot by any means to someone who is capable of using up 1TB.

Obviously, that is the point, but then they might as well just shut off any non basic usage from the user at that point.


They can't shut off non basic usage. Most of its encrypted so they can't analyze it and analyzing it would slow everything else down. Throttling or pay per XXXGB after is the easiest way to do it without affecting other customers.

I was speaking figuratively. And yes, throttling was along the lines of what I was talking about.


Hard to tell when people are speaking figuratively at times. They could do that.
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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 7/1/17
I don't understand people who defend ISPs and want to eliminate regulation. Even if you support data cap plans, why just let corporations have it for nothing? At least make them negotiate terms so you as a customer have some bargaining position in the future.
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Yah. That was my bad. I saw that and was literally LMAO at the irony.

But yeah. I easily take up 600GB of data monthly. And with this steam summer sale.. That's probably going to rise pretty close to a TB as my downloads continue to pump through data..


i downloaded about 600GB worth of games from the PS store in 2 days after i got my PS4 set up...

I guess with Trump they threw away the 2TB data cap and start charging people. We will see how this will backfired on them. 1TB is not enough for 4K...
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My cable co. does the same thing ...pay for what you use is common sense.


Data is not a finite resource. We already pay for capacity/bandwidth. There is no valid reason to charge the total amount transferred. Would you pay your television subscription if it were metered in addition to the subscription fee? What about a Crunchyroll subscription plus a data transfer metered fee?

If you answered yes to either of those it would be fiscally irresponsible and irrational at best.


Rujikin wrote:

As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.


How about they don't oversell their capacity to provide bandwidth in the first place? How about they stop pouring millions into lobbying to block competition and instead reinvest in their infrastructure? Why don't they stop protecting their cable TV offerings and instead offer an a-la-carte channel service over their internet service?

I'll listen to their whining when they actually allow a free market... until then they can get regulated to hell for all I care, they asked for it.
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Posted 6/28/17 , edited 6/28/17
meanwhile...people lucky enough to live in select cities where google fiber is deployed...


$50 / month. no data caps and 100/100 mbps connection
or $70 / month, no data caps and 1tb / 1tb connection



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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


dulun18 wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

$10 for 50TB.

Yah. Fuck that.


$10 for 50 GB not TB. I would pay gladly pay $10 for 50 TB

a digital PS4/Xbox1 game can take up 40-60GB

1 hour of 4K video streaming will eat up 8GB

Yah. That was my bad. I saw that and was literally LMAO at the irony.

But yeah. I easily take up 600GB of data monthly. And with this steam summer sale.. That's probably going to rise pretty close to a TB as my downloads continue to pump through data..


I've bought so many games for $15 that are usually $60. At this rate I'll never have free time for all the new games in August.
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Posted 6/29/17 , edited 6/29/17
I understand that more data cost more money. The equipment to provide internet is not cheep and the electricy consumption increases as amount of data increases. With more users using more data costs have to increase. We also have to take into account mores law, computer power should roughly double every two years, so internet speeds should also roughly double every two years.

Think about this. In 2000 most people had dial up 52 kbps. To download 1TB would have taken aproximatly 7 1/2 monthes. Today, the average is 8.6mbps 2.8 monthes to dowlonad 1TB. If you have I Gbps It will take you 17 hours. Now heres how I feel about it. If your chargeing me for a service for a full month make the limit something that will last a full month. I'm not paying extra so I can use my whole monthes data up in one day.

Internet speeds have not advanced with mores law. If internet speeds had followed the law we should be getting 48.62Tbps that is 52kbps^8. Some of this is the internet companies falt but part of it is the shere numbers of people/devices useing the internet. But a max of 1Gbps is sad if you think about it in these terms.
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Posted 6/29/17 , edited 6/29/17
they got news coverage now..

Cox latest internet provider to no longer offer unlimited data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpKbtAHRKBw

i guess people didn't realize that they lowered the cap from 2TB to 1TB .. a sly move that most people didn't notice
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Blame Canada for this they started it first. Also just a heads up Canada is doing a internet media streaming tax for services like Netflix so don't be surprised in a few months to a year later on down the road ISPs charge us a streaming tax.
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gsm642 wrote:

Blame Canada for this they started it first. Also just a heads up Canada is doing a internet media streaming tax for services like Netflix so don't be surprised in a few months to a year later on down the road ISPs charge us a streaming tax.

All that would do is hurt legal streaming services while promoting torrents.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


gsm642 wrote:

Blame Canada for this they started it first. Also just a heads up Canada is doing a internet media streaming tax for services like Netflix so don't be surprised in a few months to a year later on down the road ISPs charge us a streaming tax.

All that would do is hurt legal streaming services while promoting torrents.


the reason why piracy such a common place in China/Thailand/Vietnam etc.. is because most people can not afford the products/service provided..

Do they have enough jail/prison cells for everyone? when people are in jail they are not working --> loss income --> could end up on welfare --> less tax $$

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