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I can relate to the piracy problem in china. The other issue is that I did notice that its very difficult to buy legit software anywhere locally you almost have no choice but to pirate. The websites are either blocked or the license is regionally locked to china and it wont work. For example I tried to activate my windows 7 key on my new pc build in shanghai and because Microsoft assumes everything in china is bad I got it automatically banned and had to call to explain and get it fixed. Same for my diablo 3 account that was a pain to companies need to stop assuming that everything is bad in china American's do live there.
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Posted 6/29/17

GreatLordBalzak wrote:


dougeprofile wrote:

My cable co. does the same thing ...pay for what you use is common sense.


Data is not a finite resource. We already pay for capacity/bandwidth. There is no valid reason to charge the total amount transferred. Would you pay your television subscription if it were metered in addition to the subscription fee? What about a Crunchyroll subscription plus a data transfer metered fee?

If you answered yes to either of those it would be fiscally irresponsible and irrational at best.


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As much as I hate to defend an ISP... There is no such thing as an infinite data switch or data router. At some point companies start to lose money with unlimited plans. Unlimited plans don't exist for long or they come with hidden limiters because its impossible to buy hardware with unlimited specs.


How about they don't oversell their capacity to provide bandwidth in the first place? How about they stop pouring millions into lobbying to block competition and instead reinvest in their infrastructure? Why don't they stop protecting their cable TV offerings and instead offer an a-la-carte channel service over their internet service?

I'll listen to their whining when they actually allow a free market... until then they can get regulated to hell for all I care, they asked for it.


They do that to reduce costs. If they didn't over sell it would cost more. I pay more for my fiber than I would with Comcast but I dont have a problem with congestion. Pay for better service get better service. Not everyone is like me and can afford to pay 50% more for fiber. I agree but remember physical infrastructure costs a fortune to build and takes decades to pay off just the install and labor.

The tv offering are like that due to the movie industry. They won't sell a-la-carte they only do business in multiple channels. You should look it up its a cluster fuck of legacy business models all trying to stay relevant. Blaming just Comcast does no justice to the problem
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the cap for cox premier and ultimate plans was 2TB before they lowered it .. I think it's time to make the switch.

Centurylink is offering more plan beside 40Mbps now. $40/month for 60Mbps is a good deal. This is why people shouldn't stick with the same company for too long.
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

the cap for cox premier and ultimate plans was 2TB before they lowered it .. I think it's time to make the switch.

Centurylink is offering more plan beside 40Mbps now. $40/month for 60Mbps is a good deal. This is why people shouldn't stick with the same company for too long.



It was 2TB for premier, ultimate ang Gigablast plans

they are getting more coverage over the last few days over their new data cap fee


Cox is capping its data plans, what it means for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS83WDottIo

the link to their data plan and usage is now gone

https://www.cox.com/residential/support/data-plan-and-usage.html




the price for the plans dropped

https://www.cox.com/residential/internet.html



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the link to their data plan and usage is now gone

https://www.cox.com/residential/support/data-plan-and-usage.html





their site is down!! I guess people flooded the site after the news coverages

https://www.cox.com/residential/support/data-plan-and-usage.html
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dulun18 wrote:

I remember there was no sale tax or fees on Internet and you can use your own modem. I guess those are the things of the past



I wish we could outlaw any sort of tax or fees on the Internet because you know the Internet is supposed to be a place of freedom. I feel like these days are going to be over.

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their site is down!! I guess people flooded the site after the news coverages

https://www.cox.com/residential/support/data-plan-and-usage.html


it's back up now. I guess they pulled it to update new info .




GundamQueen wrote:

I wish we could outlaw any sort of tax or fees on the Internet because you know the Internet is supposed to be a place of freedom. I feel like these days are going to be over.



if they can charge you for it and people will just accept it :/ it will go on.

I would demand compensation for any downtime in return, i think it's fair

$10 for 50 GB

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the offers got better




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Jeez you guys have centryLink too... I had that back in my old apartment and it's not completely reliable. My streams would be so dodgey at times and my download times were terrible on steam. I had the fastest possible plan on top of using my own router instead of that terrible modem they were going to force me to rent. If it wasn't for the technician who set up my services being so cool, I would have been getting shafted 130 for both service and renting the modem (not including taxes+fees)...

*Edit: holy sh*t CentryLink is better... Feelsextremelybadman. I'm glad they don't have a total data cap, but good golly. I'm glad I'm single. Having to share data with someone else would piss me off.
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Jeez you guys have centryLink too... I had that back in my old apartment and it's not completely reliable. My streams would be so dodgey at times and my download times were terrible on steam. I had the fastest possible plan on top of using my own router instead of that terrible modem they were going to force me to rent. If it wasn't for the technician who set up my services being so cool, I would have been getting shafted 130 for both service and renting the modem (not including taxes+fees)...

*Edit: holy sh*t CentryLink is better... Feelsextremelybadman. I'm glad they don't have a total data cap, but good golly. I'm glad I'm single. Having to share data with someone else would piss me off.


you can buy or rent the modem from them but I would just hook your own router to their modem instead of using their 2 in 1 modem. The speed is not that great using theier 2 in 1 modem
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dulun18 wrote:

you can buy or rent the modem from them but I would just hook your own router to their modem instead of using their 2 in 1 modem. The speed is not that great using theier 2 in 1 modem


I had it, but they never required me to use the modem. I was able to just plug my own router straight into the port. The technician simply activated services for my apartment.
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Yeah I agree this is a bit crazy I wish I could switch to century link but the neighborhood. Isn't wired for centurylink. It's only wired for telephones from centurylink. But yet the thing is all the other surrounding neighborhoods are hooked up & able to get to century link. While our neighborhood is stuck with cox go figure.

Don't get the reason for the changes in all honesty. Cox's internet is already overpriced in my opinion & now have to worry about going over a data cap. Just sucks if you ask me.
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Centurylink has a class action lawsuit against them ?

CenturyLink customer angered over unauthorized accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXpELdGMo0
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So a few thoughts....
#1 To all of you looking at Century link I STRONGLY advise you to read the fine print. Their internets speeds are "up to XXMmps" That is to say you can pay for say "Up to 130mbps" and only get 5mbps for the duration of your service and you have nothing to complain about and no grounds to stand on legally. This has been a huge upset for alot of people I have talked to and seen on the internet. I have also heard of issues with modem reliability but I have not witnessed it personally but I have seen the internet speed being substandard.

#2 I only saw one person who seems to realize that the cost to put that cable/fiber in your neighborhood is massive. Seriously, I worked for Comcast Engineering team for a while and I can tell you that most people would be floored if they knew how much it cost to run distribution cable/fiber even one city block. For fiber its a bit easier. your average suburban block only requires a 48strand fiber. This costs about $16(USD) per foot just in fiber cost... not engineering, permits, labor, FCC fees, ect. Profit margins per household are pennies on the dollar. The phone/cable/fiber providers make their money from large pools of customers, not prices.

#3 Bandwidth is not infinite. In fact this is a huge reason why any company has caps/high prices on TV and Internet. They have to pay for certain bandwidths and if everyone had infinite access they would quickly eat through that bandwidth and you would have widespread outages.

#4 1TB for 4k streaming is more then enough unless you spend 5 hrs a day(EVERY DAY) watching 4k content(is there even that much 4k out there?).... in which case you have no life and probably arent even paying your rent so no complaints! Here's some food for thought.
What it takes to eat 1TB of data a month
https://www.consumerreports.org/telecom-services/how-easy-to-burn-through-1TB-data-cap/

A few sites showing what streaming 4k requuires.
https://www.lifewire.com/internet-speed-requirements-for-movie-viewing-1847401
https://recombu.com/digital/article/how-to-stream-4k-video-broadband-speed-wifi#
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/06/is-your-internet-service-fast-enough-for-streaming/index.htm
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dulun18 wrote:

I got this email today I guess COX is not ready for 4K contents


Nnnnnope.
Good morning, "emerging 4K industry", slept well? Got a K-cup perking, doesn't it smell good?

And looks like somebody's about to start paying the piper for their next four-hour "Binge-session!" of streaming TV...
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DevinKuska wrote:

So a few thoughts....
#1 To all of you looking at Century link I STRONGLY advise you to read the fine print. Their internets speeds are "up to XXMmps" That is to say you can pay for say "Up to 130mbps" and only get 5mbps for the duration of your service and you have nothing to complain about and no grounds to stand on legally. This has been a huge upset for alot of people I have talked to and seen on the internet. I have also heard of issues with modem reliability but I have not witnessed it personally but I have seen the internet speed being substandard.

#2 I only saw one person who seems to realize that the cost to put that cable/fiber in your neighborhood is massive. Seriously, I worked for Comcast Engineering team for a while and I can tell you that most people would be floored if they knew how much it cost to run distribution cable/fiber even one city block. For fiber its a bit easier. your average suburban block only requires a 48strand fiber. This costs about $16(USD) per foot just in fiber cost... not engineering, permits, labor, FCC fees, ect. Profit margins per household are pennies on the dollar. The phone/cable/fiber providers make their money from large pools of customers, not prices.

#3 Bandwidth is not infinite. In fact this is a huge reason why any company has caps/high prices on TV and Internet. They have to pay for certain bandwidths and if everyone had infinite access they would quickly eat through that bandwidth and you would have widespread outages.

#4 1TB for 4k streaming is more then enough unless you spend 5 hrs a day(EVERY DAY) watching 4k content(is there even that much 4k out there?).... in which case you have no life and probably arent even paying your rent so no complaints! Here's some food for thought.
What it takes to eat 1TB of data a month
https://www.consumerreports.org/telecom-services/how-easy-to-burn-through-1TB-data-cap/

A few sites showing what streaming 4k requuires.
https://www.lifewire.com/internet-speed-requirements-for-movie-viewing-1847401
https://recombu.com/digital/article/how-to-stream-4k-video-broadband-speed-wifi#
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/06/is-your-internet-service-fast-enough-for-streaming/index.htm


which internet isn't? I'm not getting the top speed with Cox either..

15% less than the advertised speed is the usual rate ... not to mentioned the router you are using and how far you are etc..

1TB is not enough for 4K streaming-- 1 hour of 4K streaming will use up 8GB or so

for typical household of 2-3 people with 1080p video streaming and gaming 1TB might be enough.. but you will need more data soon. They lowered the 2TB limit for the premier and up plans to 1TB as well to maximize profits by charging people fees for going over.
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