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Forced marriages outside of India? How about the USA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html
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^^^ are you suggesting they are not? let's legalize rape while we're at it


Women shouldn't need to cover themselves to not get raped.
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^^^ times 1000
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you get my meaning. it's a symbolic thing. i really can't buy that they would actually promote the use of hijabs
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Forced marriages outside of India? How about the USA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html


Fair enough you failed to mention this occurred in 1972. The context of the case is extremely important as can be seen if we take into consideration the amount of social progress that was "considered normal at the time.

In another way context is important to understand the event in question

Sherry Johnson says she was raped four times by members of her family’s church congregation as a child. As a result, she became pregnant at age 10.


Religious extremists will resort to extreme actions. This does not justify it but there is an underlying correlation to the actions done and religious beliefs.

Let us not forget the fact that the parents were responsible in this case as well by trying to protect the rapist.

When investigators began looking into her case, she claims her family tried to protect her rapist by forcing her to marry him.


That being said in today's modern times we can still see that the reluctance of bringing this issue to light and correcting the system in regards to the treatment of young men or women is determined to be about religious traditions/beliefs and secondary a male victimizing the female.


Just this month, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie vetoed a law that would have outlawed child marriage without exception.

“An exclusion without exceptions would violate the cultures and traditions of some communities in New Jersey based on religious traditions,”


Not saying I support what he did or assign the rapist any less fault in the situation, i'm just stating there were other factors at play that make this a more complex example than just the simple narrative that men = aggressor, female = victim.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/11-year-old-girl-forced-to-marry-rapist-florida-church-child-marraige-a7761816.html
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Posted 6/30/17

Rujikin wrote:


ad_arbitrium wrote:

^^^ are you suggesting they are not? let's legalize rape while we're at it


Women shouldn't need to cover themselves to not get raped.


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Child marriage is still legal in the US
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/11/532457876/advocates-work-to-end-child-marriage-in-the-u-s


Why are women assaulted/murdered for rejecting men?

https://mic.com/articles/135394/14-women-were-brutally-attacked-for-rejecting-men-why-arent-we-talking-about-it#.uhIrzC4qt



Yes, India does have a ton of child marriages, but it is not the only one! Lots of African countries (including Niger, Nigeria, and Uganda), Asian countries like Bangladesh, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Thailand, and even some Latin American countries like Mexico and Brazil!

http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/where-does-it-happen/


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Rujikin wrote:


ad_arbitrium wrote:

^^^ are you suggesting they are not? let's legalize rape while we're at it


Women shouldn't need to cover themselves to not get raped.


You also shouldn't have to avoid dark alleys in downtown Chicago to avoid being robbed. That doesn't mean I won't call you a moron if you do so and get robbed.

Personally, hijabs are stupid. Some women wear them because they really are just adhering to their religious beliefs, and I'm ok with that. It's wrong if they are forced to do so. At the same time, though, if you are in a place where you are likely to be assaulted for not wearing that hijab, as in certain Middle-eastern nations, you would be pretty stupid not to, generally speaking.
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I would have thought by now we would have reached the point where the idea that women are people who deserve rights would no longer be controversial. Alas...
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I take them to bed does that count their moans turn me on.
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official-shinsengumi wrote:

Child marriage is still legal in the US
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/11/532457876/advocates-work-to-end-child-marriage-in-the-u-s


Why are women assaulted/murdered for rejecting men?

https://mic.com/articles/135394/14-women-were-brutally-attacked-for-rejecting-men-why-arent-we-talking-about-it#.uhIrzC4qt


Yes, India does have a ton of child marriages, but it is not the only one! Lots of African countries (including Niger, Nigeria, and Uganda), Asian countries like Bangladesh, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Thailand, and even some Latin American countries like Mexico and Brazil!

http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/where-does-it-happen/




I realize it's still legal in some states but that is an issue that each state has to handle as the Federal Government has made no law regarding a legal marriage age. That is a state issue, and each will deal with it when enough support is gathered.

I already covered the case of New Jersey. That woman in the link you sent me was raped though a member of her church, and her parents married her off in order to not "get in trouble" the fucked up rapist shit head who abused a young girl.



Just this month, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie vetoed a law that would have outlawed child marriage without exception.

“An exclusion without exceptions would violate the cultures and traditions of some communities in New Jersey based on religious traditions,”


It's clear the "religious freedom/traditions" are what is holding back changing the legal age of marriage in New Jersey. It's the extremist/religious fanatics that are the issue in this case, and i'd go so far to say that that plays a big role in other states as well.


"Why are women assaulted/murdered for rejecting men?

https://mic.com/articles/135394/14-women-were-brutally-attacked-for-rejecting-men-why-arent-we-talking-about-it#.uhIrzC4qt "

So you are implying that a small percentage of men that are violent or mentally unstable are representative of the whole male population?
This is not as big of an issue as you are portraying it to be. That said I am not minimizing the actions of those assholes who couldn't accept the rejection. They are 100% in the wrong and should not respond to something as small as someone not showing interest with extreme measures of violence like that.

The very fact that their reaction is that extreme should lead you to realize that they are not mentally stable/maybe on drugs/a fucked up piece of shit human being. But this is in no way representative of the majority of men. This is not a "MEN" vs WOMEN issue.

This is an issue on an individual extreme cases.

"Yes, India does have a ton of child marriages, but it is not the only one! Lots of African countries (including Niger, Nigeria, and Uganda), Asian countries like Bangladesh, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Thailand, and even some Latin American countries like Mexico and Brazil!

http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/where-does-it-happen "

Yes I realize this and once again I disagree with Child Marriage. It really has no place in the modern world, and I would 100% support abolishing it. Thank you for showing me that it's a bigger problem than I once thought.


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ah! meet the parents! and male nurses

Meet the Parents (1/11) Best Movie Quote - Male Nurse Catheter (2000)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQv6PV9wSjg

Meet the Parents (dinner scene-- why not going for your MD instead of being a nurse)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmhGzTEGa70

Yes. it's a movie but they are pretty spot on.


the dinner scene said it all. I'm sure you can see similar conversation in real life

Male nurses are rare as are female police officer, fighter fighters, soldiers, mechanics, etc..


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Unfortunately, feminism doesn't give two shits about that stuff unless it's trying to explain why feminism is necessary. They'd rather bitch about manspreading, how "yesallwomen" (i mean men area all evil), and how they think the first lady is a whore for posing in playboy but walking around the streets with your tits out should be ok. Oh.. and made up rape culture that RAIN (who is an organization about advocating for rape victims) adamantly states doesn't exist.

I can provide links as well, but yeah...
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Modern day feminism is poisoning the well for everyone that came before them. How much you get paid is all up to how much you negotiate and women are less likely to fight for what they are worth. Managers know that and take advantage of it. That's why a base pay is necessary and raises should be based on seniority. Leaves room for lazy people sure. But everyone gets treated the same. Maternity/Paternity leave should also be equal. Divorce, custody and child support terms should be equal. The US needs to get smarter when it comes to gender roles.


Or, rather than getting smart about gender roles, we could create a society that that doesn't have any defined gender roles.. A completely gender neutral society...

But I think people like their labels and roles. It gives them comfortable walls and excuses. (i.e. living in existentially defined bad faith).


Well between our sports and fashion business it'll be hard. They just reinforce gender stereotypes hourly, day in day out. I have no illusions that will change but we can start with our laws.


TBH, I advocate for it frequently. Nobody wants it. Like seriously. NOBODY. They WANT gender roles. They WANT races. It gives them a way to be "different" from others (majority or minority).

But yes, the law, at least, should be blind to your race, creed, sex, gender, and sexual orientation.
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Now this might be because I'm a gay male, but I strongly disagree with you there.
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