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Isn't it odd how these legacy media keep releasing "news" then a few days later when no one is looking they have to correct major parts of the "news" article. They seem to have this down to a science. Well anyways at least we can put the whole "17 agencies agree" nonsense behind us.





https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/25/us/politics/trumps-deflections-and-denials-on-russia-frustrate-even-his-allies.html
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Why make a thread about this? Is people owning up to their mistakes just that much a foreign concept to you?
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octorockandroll wrote:

Why make a thread about this? Is people owning up to their mistakes just that much a foreign concept to you?


People quote the 17 agencies lie ALL the time. Let's just kill it off now so we can stop quoting fake news.
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I'm not really sure why it matters whether it's 17 or 4. If the FBI, CIA, NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence can't convince you of Russia's hacking attempts, I highly doubt any further consensus would change your mind.
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sorry, that was our mistake. it was 16 intelligence agencies, not 17. that last one was actually a private intelligence company
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it's ok, everyone makes mistakes.
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octorockandroll wrote:

Why make a thread about this? Is people owning up to their mistakes just that much a foreign concept to you?


People quote the 17 agencies lie ALL the time. Let's just kill it off now so we can stop quoting fake news.


No, they really don't.

If you want people to stop lying, why don't you lead by example? You don't exactly have a warm history with the truth.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

Why make a thread about this? Is people owning up to their mistakes just that much a foreign concept to you?


People quote the 17 agencies lie ALL the time. Let's just kill it off now so we can stop quoting fake news.


No, they really don't.

If you want people to stop lying, why don't you lead by example? You don't exactly have a warm history with the truth.


I've personally never heard anyone quote "17 agencies", but thats just me. I'm sure everybody is saying it these days.

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Lets see - It was all of the MAJOR AGENCIES. The freakin' CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the coordinator of ALL of the national intelligence agencies. The Defense Intelligence agency which does not even have a remit for this work did not sign off on it. the State department intelligence branch which does not deal with this stuff did not sign off on this. Wow, the Drug Enforcement people did not even sign off on it.

It is typical for foreign agents to seize on minor errors to attempt to discredit something that has been obvious for months.
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Oh - let us not forget that that the Coast Guard Intelligence did not sign off on it
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And while the tactic is used by foreign agents, in no way would I want to imply that you are a foreign agent. That would be clearly untrue and insulting to hard working individuals
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I'm not sure what the motivation for downplaying the Russian hacking is. The party line should be, "look at how incompetent the Democrats are! The DNC was easily hacked and Obama dropped the ball on national cyber security by letting the Russians interfere with our elections! Outrage outrage outrage!". And that would be a semi-legit criticism. Instead they want to just pretend the hacking never happened? I don't get it.
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I'm not sure what the motivation for downplaying the Russian hacking is. The party line should be, "look at how incompetent the Democrats are! The DNC was easily hacked and Obama dropped the ball on national cyber security by letting the Russians interfere with our elections! Outrage outrage outrage!". And that would be a semi-legit criticism. Instead they want to just pretend the hacking never happened? I don't get it.


It's because the RNC was hacked as well. They are smart enough to avoid Pot-Kettle = Black arguments. At least, sometimes they are.
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kinga750 wrote:

I'm not sure what the motivation for downplaying the Russian hacking is. The party line should be, "look at how incompetent the Democrats are! The DNC was easily hacked and Obama dropped the ball on national cyber security by letting the Russians interfere with our elections! Outrage outrage outrage!". And that would be a semi-legit criticism. Instead they want to just pretend the hacking never happened? I don't get it.


About the most sense I can make of it is 'it's what Trump says, so that's how it is.' Would have been a super easy platform for Trump to play up his national security chops too, but it risks making it look like he wasn't legitimately voted in someway or another maybe? Most of the reason Trump's even entwined in the investigation seems to be his innate ability to do the least sensible thing possible at just the right times.
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kinga750 wrote:

I'm not sure what the motivation for downplaying the Russian hacking is. The party line should be, "look at how incompetent the Democrats are! The DNC was easily hacked and Obama dropped the ball on national cyber security by letting the Russians interfere with our elections! Outrage outrage outrage!". And that would be a semi-legit criticism. Instead they want to just pretend the hacking never happened? I don't get it.


From what they are saying no vote counting systems have been hacked so even if it did happen then they did the equivalent of nothing.

Also DNC was leaked by Seth Rich who was murdered before going to testify before congress.



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Why make a thread about this? Is people owning up to their mistakes just that much a foreign concept to you?


In this instance yes. And they need to be put on blast to be held to a better standard.
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