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Posted 7/5/17

dulun18 wrote:
I'll buy lottery tickets once in a while (when the winning number got media coverage) but the most i won from those $1-$2 tickets was $2

Gambling is dangerously addictive....


I'm a mathematician. I know better than to gamble. The odds aren't in your favor as long as you're playing against the house. I did go to Las Vegas once and got thrown out of a casino for card counting (hey, I did say I'm a mathematician!). But, after that little huzzah when I hit 21 (friend and I went to Vegas as a mutual birthday celebration thing) -- I haven't bothered to gamble since.

I admit there's a certain skill with some games (especially Poker) when playing against other people in a legit environment. But my family is filled with compulsive gamblers (grandparents would spend $500+ a month on lottery tickets, swearing they'd pay me back "when they hit the big one") and my uncle is the type that'll spend $5,000-10,000 playing Poker and then will turn around and cry that he can't pay his car payment and he owes <insert person he lost to> money. They never knew when the stop when they hit a decent win. Instead, they always focused on the "next" win. My family has always been on the poverty line - but I'm sure if they curbed their gambling over the years, they would probably have a significant amount of cash flow.

<insert complaint about me being the only person who pays for his grandparents to be in a nursing home/assisted living and pays their bills/rent/food> ... Anyways, that's a different story altogether. At the end of the day, I guess it's fine as long as it's entertainment. But when I look at gambling, it's more so a mathematical equation. The odds of you winning big in the lottery are significantly low. I play tournament poker in the local HOA tournament each year (I've won once, got second place this year). No money other than the $200 entry fee [it goes towards stuff in the neighborhood or events] is used - and if you win first place, you get your entry fee back.
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When I went to Las Vegas for my honeymoon, I spent a whopping $1 in a slot machine. I then promptly went down to the next casino, found an arcade, and actually spent my money on something fun instead of on an unreachable dream. I don't regret that for a second.

So no, I don't gamble. I've gone with friends to casinos and such just to hang out, but I work too hard for my money to just throw it away like that.
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I play many gacha games on mobile so yes i hate myself and gamble.
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Akane1984 wrote:

When I went to Las Vegas for my honeymoon, I spent a whopping $1 in a slot machine. I then promptly went down to the next casino, found an arcade, and actually spent my money on something fun instead of on an unreachable dream. I don't regret that for a second.

So no, I don't gamble. I've gone with friends to casinos and such just to hang out, but I work too hard for my money to just throw it away like that.



I spent a whopping $1 in a slot machine.


They don't call them one armed bandits for nothing.

The odds of making any profit on slot machines are so low that those who gamble through them should just accept

I work too hard for my money to just throw it away.



Not saying it isn't possible to throw away money gambling other methods. But slot machines are generally for those who fall into the psychological trap of the bright lights, loud sounds, and the big win for small bets "jackpots" etc.

Casinos are designed to create an environment that encourages you to spend as much money there as possible.

Casino's are timeless zones where there are no clocks or windows anywhere so people can get "caught up in the game" and not realize that they have been losing money for 5+ hours and it's 4 AM in the morning and that they should prob cut their losses and head to bed.

They promote an environment conducive to foster a cognitive state where the effects of mental fatigue are offset and there is a respite from daily routine and distractions.

They place slot machines close to each other and make them really loud so other people nearby can hear that "there are people winning" therefore I should keep trying till I win too.

They offer free drinks in order to shut down the frontal lobe of the brain which is responsible for self control, leading to people gambling a lot more than the budget they had originally set for themselves. And they make it so convenient you don't even have to get out of your seat to go get another drink.

They manipulate smell as well


In a 2006 study, two smells that had been previously determined to be "pleasant" were released in different slot machine areas, with an un-odored area as a control. The first smell increased returns by around 45%, whereas the control and the second smell had no appreciable difference from other weekends.


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mar.4220120703/epdf?referrer_access_token=mQjeDQRcp-2vnIykZNQIik4keas67K9QMdWULTWMo8MAZDrdrETLkX8es89SvU4svvdVb3anCUYyiNGie7RyTomCf9AEp1DJRkoT975WbprJFX2uDxU_V7caMAgjeSdlNWqnbfjy7Ds4k3uMtqLNOcl_kICrQxXl5rVY3vBZQ6pptLpnTquyKF_zZKaJEQTESbU9PvvKubKP2e2SsH97TnMeGonz2cS33Y2oLWEsw3RT3rIQD_IaRZ_959izq0pOWBqRNL_dIokvKfr-grgEmQ%3D%3D

They offer guest "complimentary" services such as free rooms, free meals, free or discounted rooms, or show tickets in order to entice you to return there and give them more money. The more you gamble the more potential profit the casino sees and you are offered "free shit" to entice you to return. The casino thinks "we like this gambler and we want this gambler to come back and visit us again, so that he/she will gamble with us some more."

In short they fully understand how human psychology works and use it to manipulate us into spending as much money there for their profit.

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Posted 7/5/17
Is this about the new anime kakagurui, heh yeah i gamble but not in my time of Age.
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Very true amejia0. So true about slot machines/pokies with the lights and sound effects and music and everything you said. Some of them are getting more and more like games as well, with mini games instead of just the free spins.
Some of the on line ones are based on actual video games and have almost like a game within the game. Like instead of just trying to win money theres almost a story and/or achievements.

It's a massive problem here in Australia. You dont even have to go to the casino. Pretty much every single pub here has pokie machines.
They often offer free coffee and tea and that for the oldies.
The casino here dosen't offer free drinks but i have heard that some do.

And again, true, i once walked out of the casino and it was 2 in the afternoon the next day lol.

Plus you can get food in the casino, so another reason not to leave.







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Nope.
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does csgo count.
I like those slot machines though
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MrAnimeSK wrote:


amejia0 wrote:

Kaiji is a great show.

And yes like MrAnime I too go through periods of time where I don't feel the urge to gamble at all. Sometimes I gamble more than usual and at higher stakes, and other times I am satisfied placing small bets here and there. And the fucked up part is that gambling directly affects the reward center of the brain (Nucleus Accumbens). It causes it to release dopamine when you win, but you get the biggest rush from the expectation of winning. So when people win they are rewarded with dopamine which reinforces the behavior. But when they lose and "chase" the winnings it's partially because the brain associates that experience with an even greater rush, thus making the prospect of chasing the winnings all that more appealing.

I know that genetics also plays a factor in whether someone is likely to develop a gambling problem.


Yep it's almost like you get addicted to losing.


Ryulightorb wrote:

Sure spent $20 two times on slot machines and won $100-150 each time.

I gamble when i have extra money so not regularly but most of the time i win :)

I have gotten to $250 and lost $100 once haha.
Gambling is really fun i enjoy it and would do it more if i had the moeny to throw away.
Gambling isn't fun if it's skill based the more luck based it is the more fun it is.
Problem is gambling has a bad rap because people play it to WIN MONEY no no no no you don't do that gambling is a form of entertainment you are spending your money for the FUN not what you may win.


Yeah the only way to come out on top overall is to not do it regulary. And good point. That's how i felt the other night i blew some cash playing on line pokies and at the end of the day i paid money to play and get a few hours out of it. Wasn't worth the money but yeah, if you play to win and only to win you wont get what you paid for all that often, and even though you never think of it as "iam gonna gamble just for fun" , deep down we all do it to win, but it's still a good point you make. It's a form of entertainment. It is fun. But it can be very costly.


amejia0 wrote:

Everything in life is a risky gamble, some are just more riskier than others.

Talking about the wins I've played poker starting with 100$ and walked away with 1000$ for the night so not too shabby. Though nobody will tell you about their losses ahahaha.



So true! i've know some people who are notorious for only ever talking about what they won and never or rarely mentionng their losses.
And the classic "iam ahead overall" yeah right...
Or when people put in $200 and walk out with $300 and say they won $300.

I can admit my losses. I put in $200 and lost it all many times. Back when i was earning way more cash and my living expenses were fuck all.



I wouldn't say we all do most do but winning is a secondary thing for me i just like to play my odds and see how it turns out.
Which is why i play free slot games on facebook when im bored (doesn't cost anything win nothing) just fun to see the odds play out and luck.

Winning is just a side event imo.
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ninjitsuko wrote:


dulun18 wrote:
I'll buy lottery tickets once in a while (when the winning number got media coverage) but the most i won from those $1-$2 tickets was $2

Gambling is dangerously addictive....


I'm a mathematician. I know better than to gamble. The odds aren't in your favor as long as you're playing against the house. I did go to Las Vegas once and got thrown out of a casino for card counting (hey, I did say I'm a mathematician!). But, after that little huzzah when I hit 21 (friend and I went to Vegas as a mutual birthday celebration thing) -- I haven't bothered to gamble since.

I admit there's a certain skill with some games (especially Poker) when playing against other people in a legit environment. But my family is filled with compulsive gamblers (grandparents would spend $500+ a month on lottery tickets, swearing they'd pay me back "when they hit the big one") and my uncle is the type that'll spend $5,000-10,000 playing Poker and then will turn around and cry that he can't pay his car payment and he owes <insert person he lost to> money. They never knew when the stop when they hit a decent win. Instead, they always focused on the "next" win. My family has always been on the poverty line - but I'm sure if they curbed their gambling over the years, they would probably have a significant amount of cash flow.

<insert complaint about me being the only person who pays for his grandparents to be in a nursing home/assisted living and pays their bills/rent/food> ... Anyways, that's a different story altogether. At the end of the day, I guess it's fine as long as it's entertainment. But when I look at gambling, it's more so a mathematical equation. The odds of you winning big in the lottery are significantly low. I play tournament poker in the local HOA tournament each year (I've won once, got second place this year). No money other than the $200 entry fee [it goes towards stuff in the neighborhood or events] is used - and if you win first place, you get your entry fee back.


It wouldn't be fun if the odd's were in your favour now would it?
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ninjitsuko wrote:

Gambling is dangerously addictive....


I'm a mathematician. I know better than to gamble. The odds aren't in your favor as long as you're playing against the house. I did go to Las Vegas once and got thrown out of a casino for card counting (hey, I did say I'm a mathematician!). But, after that little huzzah when I hit 21 (friend and I went to Vegas as a mutual birthday celebration thing) -- I haven't bothered to gamble since.


I don't play table poker after the Texas Hold'Em craze turned it into a high-school game of sunglasses and cowboy hats for cowards and bullies--
One time, my math-teacher sister had a grudging convention-meeting in Vegas, and said she tried the slots a few times, just to blend in. I told her, "Math people don't play the slots or craps...Math people play BLACKJACK!"

I've never been to Vegas, but I'd been to the CT native casinos way back before "The Hangover" made Vegas popular again and crushed the native-owneds.
Fortunately, it was close enough to get all the day bus-tourists from NYC's Chinatown, which means they had plenty of Pai-Gow Poker. That's my game , but has a frustrating 50-50 chance of no-pay ties, bringing out my dangerously-determined side.
Technically, the "addiction" comes from the brain rush of adrenaline over the tension, which makes it a drug addiction, but frustration can make it addictive too.
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Sometimes I post in the CR forums and hope there will be a reasonable conversation.
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I'm a mathematician. I know better than to gamble. The odds aren't in your favor as long as you're playing against the house. I did go to Las Vegas once and got thrown out of a casino for card counting (hey, I did say I'm a mathematician!). But, after that little huzzah when I hit 21 (friend and I went to Vegas as a mutual birthday celebration thing) -- I haven't bothered to gamble since.


The casinos do not play by the rules to begin with by rigging their slot machines. what's wrong with card counting ?

You saw the accountant ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accountant_(2016_film)

I think the actor of this movie was on the news a few years back for card counting

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-ben-affleck-20140505-column.html
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2014/09/ben-affleck-admits-to-counting-cards-in-a-casino/

You will have more luck with a card game instead of the slots but some do get lucky, how about spending 1 cent for 944K

Phoenix couple wins $944K jackpot at Vegas slot machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGW3j56E39c

According to the law, the winner of the prize money will be the one who pressed the button -- even if you used someone else's money
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Does salty bet count?
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