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Posted 7/7/17 , edited 7/7/17

GundamQueen wrote:


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That being said, Where The Dead Go To Die is noted for having poor quality to match its incredibly disturbing imagery and plot. I find it hard to imagine people not being somewhat appalled by the nature of its existence. Especially since AOT is far less gross and perhaps more meaningful than Where The Dead Go To Die, other than being an exercise for you stomach.

Well, you should check out anim8ball's review on it for more details on why it's overhated in the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRP-FFfQJQ
It is still a bad movie but I feel like there's far worse animated movies or just movies in general out there than it in my opinion (like Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa, G-Saviour, Bolivar El Heroe, and Dorbees: Making Decisions).


Shock art is hardly anything new. Whatever point is to be had is muddled by the excessive violence and desire to offend. Anyone can connect the dots, say there is something to be meaningful about it, but that is the problem with some of the modern artistic movement. Things like The Oogieloves or Coolcat Saves The Kids obviously had "lessons", but are so hamfisted, boring, and unreasonable as to contrast the nonsensical nature of Where The Dead Go To Die, which ironically hides behind the confusion and disgust it induces to "prove" a point or "have hidden meaning". Human nature is fickle, we want to believe there is a point behind something like Where The Dead Go To Die, but appealing to emotional capacity is hardly a good move if it is just manipulative or downright exploitative. At the very least, it can be considered a rookie technique that because anyone can use, it simply became trite due to over usage. This may still prove enjoyable to anyone, or meaningful to some, but relying on an instinctual response means the artists or the writer doesn't respect the audience as being rational, but emotionally malleable without effort.

Elfen Lied is a great example of a story that wants to be about discrimination, but is weighed down through how characters act irrationally, the showing of backstories that don't matter or are exaggerated to the point of numbing the mind, and tried tropes that wants to force one to feel one thing or another without sufficient character building that is at best simplistic cause and effect, to just portraying a sympathetic appearance onscreen

Lucy's dog dulls us to the fact that Lucy kills families off screen, with anyone barely acknowledging due to how shocking it is to have 2 kids hold down a dog and beat it to death. Director Kurama's suicide with his daughter doesn't excuse that either of them wasn't very built up, but relied on the trope memories that could have been(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FondMemoriesThatCouldHaveBeen). Mayu was sexually abused, but in the adaptation, her story was as meaningless as her inclusion into the main cast. She served no purpose, therefore, that one time mention of the background was meaningless beyond making the viewer a little less stable and thus more irrational.

To get back to the point of this paragraph, I am a very simple person. I like things like V For Vendetta, which is Alan Moore taking the backseat of sorts to show a scenario within a setting populated by characters in so that we can make a choice how to feel one way or another. There is no music meant to induce nostalgic or melancholic feelings of sadness and regret in his comic book, but simply things as they are "depicted". Lolita could be summarized as the delusional narrative of a madman attempting to put sympathy and even understanding on himself, that in such a way it is nearly is if only partially self aware. Whether or not we choose to believe him at some points is as good a question as if we can or should consider him a sympathetic figure, based on how he views the world around him and his actions.

These are books that I can understand with at most the historical and personal context, or grant me autonomy and self awareness of my actions to began even partially deciphering them on what my feelings are and what the conclusion should be. We came such a long time from the publishing of works like The Tropic of Cancer to American Psycho, from Hedy Lamarr's nudity in Ecstasy. People have been pushing the boundaries of acceptable norms, even if it meant going underground, but I believe we reached a point where the wave was already rode and died down long ago, and keeps itself afloat by shocking the newly inducted, that believes that works like Where The Dead Go To Die is of esoteric appeal, when it is meaningless or poorly communicated media, waiting for someone to bestow meaning as they see it, instead of the author trying to communicate something to the audience.

This is where Anime8Ball deserves credit, he did not fall for the trappings of such a mediocre work that he refuses to denote it as anything more than trash, but it seems he is placing meaning on a work that only works as having a bizarre, artistic merit of something to look at. The thing is, a great deal of artists fool themselves into believing there is meaning to their artwork they set their brushes and paint strokes to, but they do not know what, and usually it can be attributed to some nonsensical, general feeling of blase angst or just upfront denial, stemming from a desire to stroke their ego, or some other vapid reason.

I am probably more serious with visually moving works to be more upfront for hours of entertainment than staring at a painting for 30 seconds. Honestly, I classify an incoherent display of purpose to be in the same category as boring entertainment, or works so unaware of their logical failings that they border on propaganda, as things I don't enjoy or appreciate for their contributions as food for thought.

I may just be willfully ignorant. That is a possibility. I may dislike the contemporary or postmodern something wave of shock arts to a bias. However, I am wary of putting meaning in anything that isn't at all clear, as it can mirror as the same retroactive reverse bias that many people are susceptible to, by desiring to put things in meaning or context, they do in fact find meaning that they themselves mistakenly put in with insufficient reasoning. People say that is the beauty of art, but I just find it an insidious message to sell ridiculous paintings, sculptures, and other artworks under epithets like "Transgressive" or "Avant-Garde".

I prefer well reasoned and conflicting perspectives when it comes to the taboo, not obtuse drivel, or work that doesn't rely on said visceral feelings, either to induce sympathy without fleshing out a character or shocking the audience into believing there is something profound or mature to say.

Sorry if I do not make sense, or I appear to be a jerk. I apologize if I offend you. This is my honest thoughts. :(

Edit: As for worst animated or so forth, I can't really say. Everything that is 1 or a 2 drops off from any discernible measure of quality to me, and I find it hard to really categorize what I hate more or less than. Comparative scoring isn't what I am a fan of, and it is probably due to the aforementioned reason that a 1 or a 2 is what really matters, as far as personal scoring goes. Then again, overrating and underrating are things I believe need to be avoided to an extent, which ties into debating "the worst _____ ever made", which is at such a drop off of quality that it seems hard to discern which is objectively worst, but to an individual person. This is something I don't find a great deal of meaning of, beyond fun discussion I suppose, but it is just for some meager satisfaction.
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Overhated :
I would say SAO. People were complaining about the show being an Harem. Might be, but the plot is still good.
Naruto too is overhated. Probably because of all those fillers. But bro's, filler guides exist.


Overrated :
I'd say Monster Mesume, I guess I'm not in the boobs fandom yet.
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Overhated: King Arthur 2017
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Overrated - the Monkey Films. Also, monkeys in general. I don't get the popularity.

Overhated - Donald Trump. You do know you guys are going to spark off another Civil War if you keep that up right?
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Overrated: Cowboy Bebop (Although I did like the series by the end) , Fallout 4, and One Punch Man (Wasn't bad whatsoever, just wasn't the greatest thing ever either)

Overhated: (Crucify me for this, i'm indifferent/dont care for them personally) Fidget Spinners, Eromanga Sensei, School Days.
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MLP isn't popular. It's just popular with weird 'bronies'.

So, why do lots of non-bronies praise the show as well? I never got the hype that MLP: FiM gets. I feel like it's currently the most overrated cartoon of all time in my opinion. It is just a bland and sappy little kids' show about magical talking ponies to me. Nothing else.
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superheroes.
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Overrated: The Government

Overhated: Fat People In Mcdonalds
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Posted 7/9/17 , edited 7/9/17

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superheroes.


Are they either overrated or overhated to you?

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Posted 7/10/17
Overhated: School Days.
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Posted 7/11/17 , edited 7/11/17
overrated : hello kitty


under rated : musicals
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i think anime in general as a medium/ genre is both over rated and overhated- by the fans and the general public.
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Posted 7/11/17 , edited 7/11/17
Another thing that I find overrated is the Super Smash Bros. series. They're good games (especially SSB4) but they get overhyped a lot by Nintendrones (especially Melee). That's why I play MUGEN and UKWXP nowadays. They're much better fighting games in my opinion and the fanbases aren't annoying. I hope SSB4 stays the end of the series because I'm getting sick of Super Smash Bros. getting too much unwarranted hype.
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This i find both overrated and overhated, Twilight.
Whats with the hype and hate? The books are just ok, they are not the worst or best books ive ever read.
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Overrated: Having a pet
Overhated: Stuffed animals/plushies
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