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Please, please tell me the story isn't actually real. please tell me that the right wing of our population hasn't fallen THAT far.

But if the story is real, PLEASE tell me that this is a splash of cold water and our population will come to its senses...

...but most importantly of all, PLEASE DON'T LIE TO ME...


The story is real. It isn't a spash of cold water. We won't come to our senses. Frankly, though, it's not just about how far the right wing of our population has fallen. The majority of people in America wouldn't recognize these lines, regardless of political affiliation. When my American Government professor asked if anyone knew the opening line of the Declaration, answers ranged from "We the People of the United States..." to "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." Granted, it was a gen-ed class, but it was a little disconcerting that no one came up with "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."


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Huxley was an odd one. He was very intellectual, but at the same time, weirdly fascinated with pyschedelics... Pre-60's fascination I might add. His book, The Doors of Perception was one The Doors named themselves after....

Never was a big fan of it, and its weird to consider when you read BNW.

The hardest part I think about BNW to read though, is how vapid it really is. There's no real plot, no struggle, and the society in it is just as pointless a it could be. Unless you're kinda given a background on it or the author, it IS a difficult read for that reason... Yet, that isn't a detriment to it, as that is, precisely the point he's trying to get across.

EDIT: his collected essays which are also worth reading: https://smile.amazon.com/Collected-essays-Aldous-Huxley/dp/B0006AW1UG/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g2609328962?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8


I had heard a little about his drug use, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I haven't read any of his other writings, either, but I'll try to check out those essays.

Brave New World didn't seem pointless or difficult to me, particularly, except in trying to differentiate between it and 1984 on a big picture level. On first examination, they both just seem like dystopian worlds where some small group of people controls the way everyone else thinks and acts. It took me some time to figure out how they were different, and why that was important.
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First of all, have you ever READ "Amusing Ourselves to Death"? It's such an 80's time-capsule, it should come in a neon cover with big hair, a bonus Duran Duran CD, and a foreword by David Hasselhoff:
It depicts such threats to our society as...Americans glued every night to TELEVISION! Watching SITCOMS! And having their jingoistic xenophobia fueled by right-wing action movies in theaters with Clint Eastwood and Arnold Schwarzenegger! with TELEVANGELISTS on every CABLE network! Educational TV non-existent, as kids are sold mindless cartoons of ACTION FIGURES! Teens having their attention-spans shortened by MUSIC VIDEOS on MTV! And that 80's capper of them all, an ACTOR for president!
("But we modernized the reference--We put "reality shows" in, instead of sitcoms!")

Ohh, some of us sentimental folk just read it if we want a good cry. And not necessarily for the author's reasons, either.
But still, it manages to be quoted thirty-five years later by people who never read it but wish a really good book could have been written with that title to prove their own point.
Despite the fact that criticizing our culture in the 80's was a big trend, because we all beat our heads against walls to figure out some big sociological explanation for why Reagan had beaten Carter and become president.

Second, speaking of the 80's....OGFL: Are we actually using the Apple Macintosh commercial as an accurate literary/visual representation of Orwell's 1984?
When does the jogger come in?

(Oh, and--Mommy, what're "Beanie babies" and "Current Affair"?)
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NPR should be defunded just for the fact it's a biased news source.
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You should read it once,
What do you think?
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Ejanss wrote:

First of all, have you ever READ "Amusing Ourselves to Death"? It's such an 80's time-capsule, it should come in a neon cover with big hair, a bonus Duran Duran CD, and a foreword by David Hasselhoff:
It depicts such threats to our society as...Americans glued every night to TELEVISION! Watching SITCOMS! And having their jingoistic xenophobia fueled by right-wing action movies in theaters with Clint Eastwood and Arnold Schwarzenegger! with TELEVANGELISTS on every CABLE network! Educational TV non-existent, as kids are sold mindless cartoons of ACTION FIGURES! Teens having their attention-spans shortened by MUSIC VIDEOS on MTV! And that 80's capper of them all, an ACTOR for president!
("But we modernized the reference--We put "reality shows" in, instead of sitcoms!")

Ohh, some of us sentimental folk just read it if we want a good cry. And not necessarily for the author's reasons, either.
But still, it manages to be quoted thirty-five years later by people who never read it but wish a really good book could have been written with that title to prove their own point.
Despite the fact that criticizing our culture in the 80's was a big trend, because we all beat our heads against walls to figure out some big sociological explanation for why Reagan had beaten Carter and become president.

Second, speaking of the 80's....OGFL: Are we actually using the Apple Macintosh commercial as an accurate literary/visual representation of Orwell's 1984?
When does the jogger come in?

(Oh, and--Mommy, what're "Beanie babies" and "Current Affair"?)


I own the book, with the foreword updated by I believe his son.

As for the criticism from the 80's... Ehhhhhh.... The metaphor still works. I only got the book after reading Huxley and deciding it was fairly accurate for today's world. (the original story, not the book you are referencing).

Of course, we're comparing life in the 80's to a book written in the 1932 DEAR GAWD!!!!!! I mean Fordism... WHAT THE FUCK... Does Ford even MAKE cars anymore!?!?!??!

The argument based on dating the source material is pointless if the source material is still relevant, and 1984 was from '45. Lord of the Flies - also still relevant - 1954. Fahrenheit 451 - 1953.
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There are self-proclaimed "American Patriots" that seem to hate the Constitution, is it a wonder they also hate the Declaration of Independence?
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MysticGon wrote:

Don't they do this every year?


I *think* this is the first time they did it over twitter. They usually read it over the radio
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NPR should be defunded just for the fact it's a biased news source.


just because they think "Alternate facts" is bullshit (or horsechit in this case) doesn't mean they're biased.
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descloud wrote:

NPR should be defunded just for the fact it's a biased news source.


No acutely they are the most non-bias news source in fact it's in it's charter it has to be non-bias

and how is tweeting the declaration of independence bias in anyway?
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