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Anyone here live in Illinois by any chance ? 32% increase for income tax was approved a few hours ago

TAX--we can talk for days about it

I guess they will just continue to throw money at it. This is like instead of cutting back on the allowances per year for spoiled/entitled brats for not being financial responsible with spending, you increase the money they will be getting instead!! Well, this is what you get when those spoiled/entitled brats can make laws to dig deeper in your pockets.

What is the NET INCOME of a person/household AFTER ALL TAXES
nowadays ?

Income tax (federal and state)
Property tax
Sale tax
Healthcare tax
Business tax,
Phone tax
Eco tax
etc..

I'm sure there are more

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-lawmakers-pass-permanent-income-tax-hike-override-rauners-veto/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-madigan-rauner-illinois-house-tax-increase-override-met-0707-20170706-story.html



http://www.revenue.state.il.us/TaxRates/Income.htm

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That going to suck for my relatives over there.
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dulun18 wrote:

Anyone here live in Illinois by any chance ? 32% increase for income tax was approved a few hours ago

TAX--we can talk for days about it

I guess they will just continue to throw money at it. This is like instead of cutting back on the allowances per year for spoiled/entitled brats for not being financial responsible with spending, you increase the money they will be getting instead!! Well, this is what you get when those spoiled/entitled brats can make laws to dig deeper in your pockets.


What the hell are you even going on about? spoiled entitled brats that don't know how to be responsible with their money?????

*sigh*
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Until I see citizens banding together and/or corporations to fix our roads and bridges in America then you bet your ass its necessary. Calling it 'evil' though? Just what about taxes are evil? Most of the things you take for granted are due to taxes.

Do tax rates increase? Yes, that's because the cost of living and amount of things the people have deemed necessary have also increased. Why attribute negative emotional responses to something that has a systematic purpose and nets more good then bad? Leadership is necessary weather you want to admit it or not. Government is necessary. Taxes are what makes it all work.

I see no problem with citizens fighting for lower taxes (As this keeps the system in check) but lets not kid ourselves here -- There is nothing evil about taxes. There is something evil about a government independent of checks and balances taking more money then it needs and edging the wealth of to people who haven't earned it. This is not what's happening.
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serifsansserif wrote:


dulun18 wrote:

Anyone here live in Illinois by any chance ? 32% increase for income tax was approved a few hours ago

TAX--we can talk for days about it

I guess they will just continue to throw money at it. This is like instead of cutting back on the allowances per year for spoiled/entitled brats for not being financial responsible with spending, you increase the money they will be getting instead!! Well, this is what you get when those spoiled/entitled brats can make laws to dig deeper in your pockets.


What the hell are you even going on about? spoiled entitled brats that don't know how to be responsible with their money?????

*sigh*


*sigh*
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Posted 7/6/17 , edited 7/22/17
Tax's aren't even bad or evil they are a good thing.

I'm glad my countries tax rates are higher then Americas due to what they go towards (Though we do get taxed on some stupid stuff that shouldn't be taxed but it's w/e)

Tax here is



How it should be you earn more you are taxed more :)

I'll be in the 22.78-30.13% tax range in the next 10 years hopefully but until then i'll be in the 9.65% when i get a part time job.
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Most of the time more taxes are levied because the government is corrupt as fuck and they don't want to end their golden goose. Cutting spending would prevent politicians that make 75-100K a year from becoming multi-millionaires.
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Rujikin wrote:

Most of the time more taxes are levied because the government is corrupt as fuck and they don't want to end their golden goose. Cutting spending would prevent politicians that make 75-100K a year from becoming multi-millionaires.


Doubtful. Politicians don't make their money or wages through taxes.

And corruption is more about making money through bribes or by creating or modifying policies so you can reap the benefits of those policies as a private citizen "in the chosen group"

Taxes rising are due to increased disparity in wealth and increased bureaucracy and paperwork and policies built upon policies so much that rather than being lightweight and flexible/adaptable.

It's like coding. Anyone who understands how errors result from building on previous versions and feature creep can screw up a program will understand.
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Yes I am in Illinois. I don't like the tax hike, but something needed to be done to pass a budget. I wouldn't mind moving, and nothing really keeps me here so it's something I've considered. The state's political and financial situation has become that bad.
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All taxation is by definition unnecessary and evil.
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Oh wow, I just moved out of there. Illinois like to build bridges and roads.. narrow roads. Plus you have to pay for those tolls now a new tax hike added to those countless tolls. I think IL. a corrupt state. It's fun there though lot of things to do.

Did they finished the bridge or road at Schaumburg?
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serifsansserif wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

Most of the time more taxes are levied because the government is corrupt as fuck and they don't want to end their golden goose. Cutting spending would prevent politicians that make 75-100K a year from becoming multi-millionaires.


Doubtful. Politicians don't make their money or wages through taxes.

And corruption is more about making money through bribes or by creating or modifying policies so you can reap the benefits of those policies as a private citizen "in the chosen group"

Taxes rising are due to increased disparity in wealth and increased bureaucracy and paperwork and policies built upon policies so much that rather than being lightweight and flexible/adaptable.

It's like coding. Anyone who understands how errors result from building on previous versions and feature creep can screw up a program will understand.


They pay outrageous amounts for projects then that company just happens to donate/buy a large amount of xxxxxx from an organization made by that politician. Happens all the time. Heck my dad works for a company that hires the children of ceos/politicians then they get huge contracts from those same people while donating to that politicians campaign.

Oh yeah that is definitely the elephant in the room. I think its about common knowledge at this point.
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MY money I earn, then government TAKES the money I earn without me consenting.

It doesn't matter if you think it's "necessary." Stealing isn't justified if you are going to give it to your neighbor.
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Posted 7/6/17 , edited 7/9/17

kata89 wrote:

MY money I earn, then government TAKES the money I earn without me consenting.

It doesn't matter if you think it's "necessary." Stealing isn't justified if you are going to give it to your neighbor.


that would require taxes to be stealing also you do consent to it when you decide to live in your country and be a citizen.
If you don't like it then you leave without taxes society would be fucked in any civilization.

The whole taxes are bad it's stealing it's unjustified argument is very weak and poor.

As to quote something true that's been said against this way of thinking

"If taxation is stealing, so is the use of public utilities and services (fire stations, roadways, postal services, police officers/stations, jails, an army, bridges, public transportation, some hospitals, some sewer and water systems, the courts system, various health and safety inspectors, regulatory bodies for finance and banks, etc.)"

Pretty much rings true in every way.
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Posted 7/6/17 , edited 7/9/17

gornotck wrote:

All taxation is by definition unnecessary and evil.


just like healthcare and education is evil!
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