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Yeaaah....seen the sequel? Courtesy of the same artist:




Ha, yeah... the imagery just fits too perfect, unfortunately




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http://www.businessinsider.com/lawyer-alex-jones-infowars-playing-character-acting-2017-4
Alex Jones admitted in a court of law to be a performance artist and then subsequently lost his children in a custody dispute.

This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.

Of course it's within his character as a 'performance artist' to use a random news story as another call for clicks towards his site. As bad as CNN can be, InfoWars is about 1,000 times more illegitimate.


You do realize that is taken out of context. If you don't understand that its because you didn't actually look into case yourself or do any critical thinking at all. Please read and research things completely for yourself before regurgitating main stream media opinions. He was referring to the times when he goes into character to mock leftist lunatics but you probably wont understand that either. Please keep eating up all the main stream media lies.


There's the mainstream media, which generally frames stories and tells you what to think.

Then there's the internet, where if you're willing to do the work, you can gather several sources and form a more complete perception of the world.

Finally there's the 'alternative' media. Unfortunately also part of internet media, where agenda-driven journalists and agenda-driven lunatics alike get to toss their most toxic ideas out there to the public and see them grow like a cancerous tumor.

I place Alex Jones in the latter.

To me what he does is so easy. It's so easy both A: being a nutjob online, and B: telling people exact what they want to think while creating phantom enemies to distract their logic and emotions.

To me he's just a base cartoon character. He has no journalistic integrity or any sense of personal responsibility. He can hurl out insults and innuendos all day and all night. But then again anyone can do that. Even a child can get online and make crazy statements.

Sorry, but I can't take online bomb throwers seriously. Ever. And yes, he is definitely a performance artist. And he knows exactly what he's doing.

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This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.


TBH if you're going to use your dead kid to try to take other's rights away you deserve to be mocked.
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:

This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.


TBH if you're going to use your dead kid to take try to other's rights away you deserve to be mocked.


You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?
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You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


Non US citizens do not have a 'right' to migrate to the US

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You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


Non US citizens do not have a 'right' to migrate to the US



Yay, more made up crap from the guy who thinks making threats of violence illegal is an authoritarian doctrine. Just what I needed today.
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Yay, more made up crap from the guy who thinks making threats of violence illegal is an authoritarian doctrine. Just what I needed today.


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But its not a right though.



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octorockandroll wrote:

Yay, more made up crap from the guy who thinks making threats of violence illegal is an authoritarian doctrine. Just what I needed today.


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But its not a right though.



Oh. I never thought of it THAT way

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But its not a right though.


Well, that depends on how you look at it. Seeing as the United States of America is part of the United Nations, they have to abide by human rights obligations. Some aspects of Trump's keynote speeches regarding his proposed immigration changes may/may not violate these obligations - thus, removing the rights of people that fit into the classifications of rights that are given to all people of the world under the umbrella of the United Nations.

But y'know, technicalities.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


21stCenturyGemini wrote:

This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.


TBH if you're going to use your dead kid to try to take other's rights away you deserve to be mocked.


You must be mocking the creation of the Homeland Security Office everyday then - considering how it came about after 9/11.

More importantly to the point though, no one's rights were ever under threat. That's another useful lie performance artists like Alex Jones love to push.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


21stCenturyGemini wrote:

This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.


TBH if you're going to use your dead kid to take try to other's rights away you deserve to be mocked.


You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


There is no such thing as a right to immigrate. Literally the first, most basic responsibility of a government is to protect the territorial integrity of the nation and the citizenry. Immigration is a privilege, full stop.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:
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But its not a right though.


Well, that depends on how you look at it. Seeing as the United States of America is part of the United Nations, they have to abide by human rights obligations. Some aspects of Trump's keynote speeches regarding his proposed immigration changes may/may not violate these obligations - thus, removing the rights of people that fit into the classifications of rights that are given to all people of the world under the umbrella of the United Nations.

But y'know, technicalities.


Not even the UN considers unfettered, unrestricted immigration a human right. They claim people should have the right to move *within* their nation, and to *visit* other nations, and that they cannot be *compelled* to be of any given nationality... but nowhere does it state that any given nation must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country.

By all means, feel free to actually read what the UN writes about it:

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

....assuming we even give a shit what such a feckless, useless organization has to say on the matter.
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octorockandroll wrote:


Amyas_Leigh wrote:


21stCenturyGemini wrote:

This is a guy who used his performance 'art' to mock parents who lost their children in Newtown.


TBH if you're going to use your dead kid to take try to other's rights away you deserve to be mocked.


You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


There is no such thing as a right to immigrate. Literally the first, most basic responsibility of a government is to protect the territorial integrity of the nation and the citizenry. Immigration is a privilege, full stop.


I wonder if humanity ever migrates to Mars, whether we'll be taking this same mentality with us.

"You're not allowed to cross into our mountain range cause you were born in that sand pit!"
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"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Wait - I forgot what happened when NPR posted the Declaration of Independence

You are correct that being able to immigrate is a privilege. HOWEVER - we have laws which regulate immigration and applicants have certain rights granted to them by these laws.

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Not even the UN considers unfettered, unrestricted immigration a human right. They claim people should have the right to move *within* their nation, and to *visit* other nations, and that they cannot be *compelled* to be of any given nationality... but nowhere does it state that any given nation must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country.

By all means, feel free to actually read what the UN writes about it:

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

....assuming we even give a shit what such a feckless, useless organization has to say on the matter.



Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.



Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.



Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.


I mean, yeah.. assuming we give a shit what an organization that the United States has helped form, govern, and structure since its creation as the "League of Nations" has to say. Nowhere did I say that it gives one a right to "unfettered, unrestricted immigration". More so that some of the restrictions that Trump has indicated that he would like to implement (through his campaign speeches) and through his first attempt at an immigration ban/restriction may or may not violate some of these human rights that are outlined above.
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Interesting use of the strawman approach. No one is saying that the US government "... must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country (USA)."

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