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Interesting use of the strawman approach. No one is saying that the US government "... must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country (USA)."



That's true.

But at the same time immigration has been an incalculable economic boon for America.

I mean the current wealthiest company in the US (Apple) was started by the son of a Syrian refuge. Second wealthiest company (Google) was co-founded by the son of a Russian immigrant.

Then you go down the line from food to music to inventions to workforces that built some of the most famous landmarks in the US.

Yeah, immigration isn't a 'right' but it's also not logical to be against it.
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You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


So when are you going to boycott anime in response to Japans refusal to take in Muslim refugee's? i mean they took/take in absolutley bugger all.
Even though birth rates is one of their biggest concerns, they refuse immigration. Almost entirely. They openly say that they are more focused on their own people, protecting their own people.
Even though birth rates are a problem and immigration could fix/help that, unlike many western nations they do not want their people and culture to be replaced.
Or are they just racist Islamaphobic heartless bigots? They offer alot of money to help refugees but take in almost no immigration. But i guess all the things i mentioned only apply to white nations? (white nations are expected to provide foreign aid and take in endless immigration, refugee 's or not).

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You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


So when are you going to boycott anime in response to Japans refusal to take in Muslim refugee's? i mean they took/take in absolutley bugger all.
Even though birth rates is one of their biggest concerns, they refuse immigration. Almost entirely. They openly say that they are more focused on their own people, protecting their own people.
Even though birth rates are a problem and immigration could fix/help that, unlike many western nations they do not want their people and culture to be replaced.
Or are they just racist Islamaphobic heartless bigots? They offer alot of money to help refugees but take in almost no immigration. But i guess all the things i mentioned only apply to white nations? (white nations are expect to provide foeign aid and take in endless immigration, refugee 's or not).



Where are you getting this information from? There are foreigners all over Japan.

In addition, youtube videos are all over the place talking about 'hafus' in Japan. Especially after a recent Ms. Japan was one herself.

In fact their birthrates are also influencing the number of foreigners (both from the West, but especially from the rest of Asia) mixing with Japanese people.
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Where are you getting this information from? There are foreigners all over Japan.

In addition, youtube videos are all over the place talking about 'hafus' in Japan. Especially after a recent Ms. Japan was one herself.

In fact their birthrates are also influencing the number of foreigners (both from the West, but especially from the rest of Asia) mixing with Japanese people.


LMAO at "all over the place" Japan is 98.5% Japanese last i checked. It's pretty common knowledge dude.
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LMAO at "all over the place" Japan is 98.5% Japanese last i checked. It's pretty common knowledge dude.


Nationality isn't the same as race, just so you know. When you say "Japan is 98.5% Japanese" this means that they're Japanese citizens, not of Japanese heritage. I think you're mixing the two here. Technically, if I were to have been born in Japan by a mixed family (father would be American and mother would have been Japanese) - I would fall into the 98.5% even though I was a "hāfu" (mixed with Japanese).

Also, Japan is starting to feel a little friendlier towards immigration and the European Union; now that Trump basically told Japan to go fuck themselves. "The Japan-EU Economic Partnership Agreement" (also known as "JEEPA") is just as large as the trade agreement of NAFTA, if not larger.

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But funny how this thread about CNN memes became about immigration pretty quickly.
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MrAnimeSK wrote:
LMAO at "all over the place" Japan is 98.5% Japanese last i checked. It's pretty common knowledge dude.


Nationality isn't the same as race, just so you know. When you say "Japan is 98.5% Japanese" this means that they're Japanese citizens, not of Japanese heritage. I think you're mixing the two here. Technically, if I were to have been born in Japan by a mixed family (father would be American and mother would have been Japanese) - I would fall into the 98.5% even though I was a "hāfu" (mixed with Japanese).

Also, Japan is starting to feel a little friendlier towards immigration and the European Union; now that Trump basically told Japan to go fuck themselves. "The Japan-EU Economic Partnership Agreement" (also known as "JEEPA") is just as large as the trade agreement of NAFTA, if not larger.

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But funny how this thread about CNN memes became about immigration pretty quickly.


Yeah but there's no need to be in denial. But i promise you, white or black or arab would not be considered japanese even if they were born there.
Anyways i love Japan but lets not be delusional about the facts.

Hey i just followed suit.

EDIT: And going by that logic Australia is 75% Australian lol. Or we're all Aboriginal lol(those who are born here). I guess technically anyone born in any nation is of that nation. But you get what i mean. But from what i understand Japan is fairly pure blood. More than most places. Well more than many.
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MrAnimeSK wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:



You mean like how you use dead people to justify trying to take away people's immigration rights?


So when are you going to boycott anime in response to Japans refusal to take in Muslim refugee's? i mean they took/take in absolutley bugger all.
Even though birth rates is one of their biggest concerns, they refuse immigration. Almost entirely. They openly say that they are more focused on their own people, protecting their own people.
Even though birth rates are a problem and immigration could fix/help that, unlike many western nations they do not want their people and culture to be replaced.
Or are they just racist Islamaphobic heartless bigots? They offer alot of money to help refugees but take in almost no immigration. But i guess all the things i mentioned only apply to white nations? (white nations are expected to provide foreign aid and take in endless immigration, refugee 's or not).



Did nuance just kill your parents in a car accident because I can't for the life of me understand why you would hate it as much as you do otherwise.

First of all, Japan doesn't have nearly the same quantity of space that other countries have. There are fuckloads of space in the US, Canada, Australia and most other countries but Japan already has everyone crammed together like sardines in a can.

Second, Japan is already becoming less tight assed on immigration.

Third, as far as I know, Japan never attacked muslims as a whole when deciding not to tale in refugees.

Fourth, everyone expects other countries to provide aid to their allies. You even mentioned that Japan does so in this very post.

Fifth, having strict immigration standards and removing the right to immigrate on the basis of discrimination are two entirely different things. I honestly didn't think I would have to explain that to an actual adult, but I guess this website is full of surprises. Like that isn't even an apples to oranges comparison, it's an apples to origami comparison.

Sixth, even if I shared your delusions that Japan's immigration laws violate human rights, why would I stop watching anime? Do you think anime creators are in charge of national policy or something? They're not. Like at all. In fact, if I did think that Japan's harsher immigration standards were rights violations it would actually give me more reason to watch anime, since a ton of anime nowadays goes out of its way to call out the archaic isolationist mentality of old like SukaSuka or Grimoire of Zero.

Did none of that seriously cross your mind?
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MrAnimeSK wrote:
LMAO at "all over the place" Japan is 98.5% Japanese last i checked. It's pretty common knowledge dude.


Nationality isn't the same as race, just so you know. When you say "Japan is 98.5% Japanese" this means that they're Japanese citizens, not of Japanese heritage. I think you're mixing the two here. Technically, if I were to have been born in Japan by a mixed family (father would be American and mother would have been Japanese) - I would fall into the 98.5% even though I was a "hāfu" (mixed with Japanese).

Also, Japan is starting to feel a little friendlier towards immigration and the European Union; now that Trump basically told Japan to go fuck themselves. "The Japan-EU Economic Partnership Agreement" (also known as "JEEPA") is just as large as the trade agreement of NAFTA, if not larger.

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But funny how this thread about CNN memes became about immigration pretty quickly.


Yeah but there's no need to be in denial. But i promise you, white or black or arab would not be considered japanese even if they were born there.
Anyways i love Japan but lets not be delusional about the facts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KMO02xxX1g

The Japanese people aren't as hateful as you're making them out to be.
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"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Wait - I forgot what happened when NPR posted the Declaration of Independence

You are correct that being able to immigrate is a privilege. HOWEVER - we have laws which regulate immigration and applicants have certain rights granted to them by these laws.



Yes, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... who wish to obey the laws of the land and integrate with the culture. An idealistic poem is NOT a mandate to government. Please note it does not read "give us your tired, your poor, your lazy welfare exploiters who will leverage the wests' irrational fetishization of cultural diversity for cultural diversity's sake as a get-out-of-jail-free card to excuse their crimes of assault, rape, and religious coercion". The passage is built on the common understanding that the tired, weak, huddled masses *want* to live the American ideal, not to culturally balkanize themselves and exploit the taxmonies of others.

Weak argument is weak.

Yes, we have immigration laws, to ensure that those who immigrate will be of benefit, rather than detriment to, the nation and it's citizenry.
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Did nuance just kill your parents in a car accident because I can't for the life of me understand why you would hate it as much as you do otherwise.

First of all, Japan doesn't have nearly the same quantity of space that other countries have. There are fuckloads of space in the US, Canada, Australia and most other countries but Japan already has everyone crammed together like sardines in a can.

Second, Japan is already becoming less tight assed on immigration.

Third, as far as I know, Japan never attacked muslims as a whole when deciding not to tale in refugees.

Fourth, everyone expects other countries to provide aid to their allies. You even mentioned that Japan does so in this very post.

Fifth, having strict immigration standards and removing the right to immigrate on the basis of discrimination are two entirely different things. I honestly didn't think I would have to explain that to an actual adult, but I guess this website is full of surprises. Like that isn't even an apples to oranges comparison, it's an apples to origami comparison.

Sixth, even if I shared your delusions that Japan's immigration laws violate human rights, why would I stop watching anime? Do you think anime creators are in charge of national policy or something? They're not. Like at all. In fact, if I did think that Japan's harsher immigration standards were rights violations it would actually give me more reason to watch anime, since a ton of anime nowadays goes out of its way to call out the archaic isolationist mentality of old like SukaSuka or Grimoire of Zero.

Did none of that seriously cross your mind?


Oooh fancy words.

Yeah but Australia has homless people, unemployment, housing shortages, house prices are sky high, water droughts, major energy problems, etc and immigration puts strain on all those things as well as medi care and government aid/wellfare.

Plus alot of the free space is in the desert and swamp lands. The out back. No population or only Aboriginies or small country towns out there.

Yes i agree on less space over there but yeah as i said above.

Yes they are but it's taken them a long time and it's only gotten slightly better. If better is the correct word..

Yeah but they attacked the rest of Asia so should't they be filled with immigration for their past crimes? they bombed Australia and America.
lol ok so silly comparrison given the end result and how different Japan and the middle east is.

Yeah no shit, Australia gives crazy foreign aid and takes alot of immigration per capita and still gets accused of being racist and living in the past.

Dont act like they do not fear terrorism at all.

I never said they violate human rights. But you just did. Well you come across as such a lefty so how many lefties act you should hate Japan for not being more compassionate but oh wait, they're not white so i guess not.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KMO02xxX1g

The Japanese people aren't as hateful as you're making them out to be.



OMG you got me. ONE black guy in Japan! lol ( )


EDIT: and i never said they were hateful. There's nothing hateful or racist about national pride and putting your own first.
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Not even the UN considers unfettered, unrestricted immigration a human right. They claim people should have the right to move *within* their nation, and to *visit* other nations, and that they cannot be *compelled* to be of any given nationality... but nowhere does it state that any given nation must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country.

By all means, feel free to actually read what the UN writes about it:

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

....assuming we even give a shit what such a feckless, useless organization has to say on the matter.



Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.



Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.


Yes, and asylum is a temporary status. It also requires that the asylum seeker actually be legitimately seeking protection from an imminent threat, and not, you know, an economic migrant entering the nation for the purpose of exploiting the welfare systems for monetary gain. Most of the "asylum seekers" into Europe are not even from Syria, and have no legitimate claim to refugee status.


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Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.


Yep, they may renounce their nationality and choose to change it if they want. That does not compel any given nation to accept their claim to be one of their nationals, though. I can't just declare myself to be a Kuwaiti and start demanding I get my nationally-mandated cut of their oil revenues, any more than a Libyan can arbitrarily declare themselves to be German and start drawing German welfare.


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OMG you got me. ONE black guy in Japan! lol ( )


Who had the experience of literally growing up hafu in japan, and having to deal with japanese kids just behaving like kids.

Point is his experience was no different than growing up mixed race in the US. In fact, in many places in the US (or even in Europe, or in Australia where you're from) he'd have likely had a much worse experience.

The Japanese may have a concept of gaijin vs actual Japanese, but they don't carry that same level of vitriolic hate you tend to encounter in westernized countries.

Here's another one on hafus in general from Yuta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDF_uV_J1M (who has a great youtube channel btw)
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Interesting use of the strawman approach. No one is saying that the US government "... must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country (USA)."



Oh, I'm sorry, did I ever say that anyone particular was? Wait, no, I did not. I responded to one person's claim that Trump enacting travel bans was a "violation of human rights", by stating my opinion that a nation is not only permitted, but OBLIGATED to control entry into it's borders.

So, irony of ironies, YOU are the one committing a strawman approach by erroneously claiming that I was making a strawman argument.
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Yeah the memes aren't stopping. Liberals tried to get Watch CNN trending, the internet promptly hijacked it.
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tomas123987 wrote:

Interesting use of the strawman approach. No one is saying that the US government "... must freely and without any restriction automatically grant them citizenship into a new country (USA)."



That's true.

But at the same time immigration has been an incalculable economic boon for America.

I mean the current wealthiest company in the US (Apple) was started by the son of a Syrian refuge. Second wealthiest company (Google) was co-founded by the son of a Russian immigrant.

Then you go down the line from food to music to inventions to workforces that built some of the most famous landmarks in the US.

Yeah, immigration isn't a 'right' but it's also not logical to be against it.


Oh, hey, more of that strawmanery!

To borrow a phrase, No one is saying that the US government must ban all immigration.

We're saying that it should be controlled, and that only persons who wish to integrate with American culture, follow American laws, and respect the American Constitution (the heart of American culture) should be allowed to immigrate. Want to come in legally and work for the best interests of America? Great, come on in (my wife spent a decade getting here legally, thank you). Want to jump the border, exploit welfare programs, and attempt cultural genocide? Go fuck yourselves, get rekt, deport immediately.
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