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Post Reply We’re losing a whole generation of young men to video games
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Chess is ruining my life
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dulun18 wrote:
Adam Ruins Everything - Why People Think Video Games Are Just for Boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08CVkBxvBM


While I do not know the truth value to the historical claims, which is interesting, Adam makes several sore points.

-First off, he lists a large percentage of females as "Gamers" versus people who play games, despite things like Mobiles typically taking less time and being more accessible. The level of commitment, learning curve, accessibility, cost, and everything else makes mobiles almost an entirely different beast that I wouldn't say it is accurate at all. Candy Crush is far different than World of Warcraft; heck, Pokemon Go is different from an actual Pokemon Game, at least the games known for its unique mechanics before being gutted out to trendy gimmicky trash.

-Second, Adam is probably true with how marketing can affect our perceptions, but he grossly overestimates the typical discrimination, as well as the effect of marketing or some other things I am not sure of. I mean, the stereotype that games are for boys may exist, but marketing doesn't forbade females from wanting to play Dark Souls or Grand Theft Auto V. I mean, what is the barrier here, to be exact, and for what games?

It seems he is using the young boy as a physical straw man to represent some faction, but his inclusion feels extremely overrepresentative of the whole community.


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Potentsaliva wrote:

Chess is ruining my life


I challenge you to a game!

Edit: maybe another time bro.
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amejia0 wrote:


Potentsaliva wrote:

Chess is ruining my life


I challenge you to a game!

Edit: maybe another time bro.


Yeah another time, since I'm not really feeling it right now cause I'm tired and stuff.
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Potentsaliva wrote:


amejia0 wrote:


Potentsaliva wrote:

Chess is ruining my life


I challenge you to a game!

Edit: maybe another time bro.


Yeah another time, since I'm not really feeling it right now cause I'm tired and stuff.


Wait chess, i want in on this!
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No way?!?! People spend more time doing something enjoyable? What a sinner. You're supposed to work your life away! It's the American Dream!
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I'd like to say a few things about this.
1. The article says "disproportionately young men," not "only young men."
2. This is certainly an issue, but it's a very complicated issue, as I will now explain.

Younger millennials and older whatever-the-current-generation-is fall in a strange group, where they haven't been exposed to modern tech for their whole lives, but they are more immersed in it than older people. A lot of young men (and women) didn't get the kind of education necessary to properly function in the digital age, and that's a problem. It also doesn't help that companies have a vested interest in making people get addicted to their product, and since this group of people haven't been trained to filter through media messaging very well, that can strongly negatively affect them.

However, it has been shown that younger kids, those who have had Google and used smart devices for their whole lives, can learn to adapt to the digital environment better as that's been all they know for their whole lives. Of course, that doesn't eliminate harmful media messaging, but with the proper education, these kids can navigate the internet with ease.

However, 10-year-olds aren't going into the workforce, and so it's much harder to measure their successful-ness. I think the key is just to require digital media education in public elementary/middle schools, and wait it out for a few more years and see what happens with them. They're going to be the real indicators of how big of an issue this is, and how to fix it.

Post-disclaimer: If you fall into an age group I mentioned and this stuff doesn't apply to you, results may vary based on where you live, family complications, and other circumstances.

Another note: The media isn't just telling men that men play video games, it's also telling that to women, and that has some serious measurable effects.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Well when life is boring and there is nothing fun to do you goto something you enjoy.


MASTURBATION!...Wait, what were we talking about? XP
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Even if there were no video games, it's still a lose-lose situation for young men/people anyway. Video game is liked not only for its addictive properties, but also because it's literally cost-free. Without video games, I don't see how young men could be "living" their life any other way. Traveling is super expensive and the average young man can't afford that.

You can't really "live" your life until you've earned a lot of money anyway, and by the time you get to that age, hopefully you develop better tastes in hobbies and are able to see that video game is super repetitive.
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What is "living", then?
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So what elese is new it's better than to war
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When it removes you completely from the real world. That's the problem. Don't know why it is so hard to draw the comparison between a socially awkward, addicted book reader to the more common, addicted video gamer who is also socially awkward cause life doesn't follow his scripted fantasy. Fact is the video games are not written to be complex narratives on real history or the human condition. Games are dumbing down, using simple blue and red colors to point out what's "bad" and what is "good." I wonder if live sportsmanship (not virtual, cause that ship has sailed) will be debated over whether or not you should teabag your competitor during a football game. Do you remember this crap? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgZTsdYQlk

You say the ramifications are not clear yet. I say, you chose to overlook them cause they haven't affected your life yet. They are happening as we speak.

Obviously, videos games are not take all the blame. But it is hard to believe that they haven't contribute to the declining birth rate which is lower now since 1984 (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-us-birth-rate-20170630-htmlstory.html). Marriages are happening at older ages as well. Which shouldn't be a problem if that makes you happy. But biological clocks only tick for so long, and many couples are failing to have kids.

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I suppose the smart ones are the ones who turned on their streamcams and started earning money sitting around all day playing video games.

Earning good money no less... just for playing a game for gamers who grew up but still like watching other people play video games.

Now that's the life.

Personally I think this is just a new world we're living in. And no one understands the ramifications just yet. This is just a new electronic everything world we're living in.

What about internet addiction, and addiction to streaming massive amounts of media to your home. Hell you don't even need to leave the house to buy things anymore. Almost everything you could ever want is online.

We definitely don't know the ramifications of this type of a world just yet.


Yeah those guys/girls are very smart indeed.

And that's true. Porn addiction is real and effects some men greatly.

And yup i buy so much of my stuff on line these days. Order food on line, etc


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People seem to ignore that these multiplayer games are both socializing and provide for the competition that many men need in their lives.


Yeah fair point. It is a form of socialising. Most gamers make friends through on line gaming/multi player. I've made friends that i've stayed in touch with for like 10 years. Some are on line friends only, some i ended up meeting.
And i know a couple of people that met their partner through gaming. A guy i work with met his girlfriend through FF14. It was an over seas relationship that became the real thing.
And funnily enough the gaming clan that i was in for Battlefield 2(not many girls play games like this) , we later had a female member and one of the other guys in the clan is with her now and they have had kids together.

EDIT: I guess on line gaming, if you join a clan or a guild it can help people with team work/working as a team or speaking infront of people and handling crittercism as well.

2ND EDIT: back on OP. I do think some men prefer the fantasy world of gaming as opposed to putting up with womens shit lol.
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After a day's work I am free to spend my free time doing whatever I want and if it means playing some games then I bloody well will!
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But it is hard to believe that they haven't contribute to the declining birth rate which is lower now since 1984 (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-us-birth-rate-20170630-htmlstory.html). Marriages are happening at older ages as well. Which shouldn't be a problem if that makes you happy. But biological clocks only tick for so long, and many couples are failing to have kids.



Not gonna comment on the removed part because that's an issue with media and demographics in media rather than with video games specifically.

As for the quoted part, Japan has shown that certain types of video games integrated into culture in a certain way can catastrophically reduce the birth rate. However, the US is not Japan. The main cause for birth rates to decline is education and female independence. More and more women are working rather than staying at home, which has been shown to directly correlate with a decreased birth rate for a variety of reasons.
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