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Post Reply We’re losing a whole generation of young men to video games
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People have been saying shit like this about every hobby ever created that people can obsess over involving media. It started with women plus minorities with books spreading what they though were "dangerous idea's" like education and free thought and the bullshit cries of corruption only spread from there to music, television, tabletop games and almost any other media genre & sub genre you can think of.

I wish you could just laugh at then ignore people like this but these people are the type who get things censored and banned and they're normally obsessive and proactive enough to get things done without opposition, so I feel we all have to make sure to speak out against and shut down these modern day equivalents to book burners.
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theunlocked wrote:


As for the quoted part, Japan has shown that certain types of video games integrated into culture in a certain way can catastrophically reduce the birth rate. However, the US is not Japan. The main cause for birth rates to decline is education and female independence. More and more women are working rather than staying at home, which has been shown to directly correlate with a decreased birth rate for a variety of reasons.


Yep changing society and feminism no doubt.
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I can see both sides to this argument. On the one it is troubling that every media fad (radio, television, the internet, gaming, smart phones) has been lambasted as some social illness that is eroding civilization. This hysteria has been around a very long time. On the other it is very true and very real that males in particular have fallen for some of these fads in such huge numbers that it is alarming on its own.

What troubles me is that you've asked directly for a rebuttal without considering the author's argument first- you just want a rebuttal. You didn't like what you read because perhaps it struck a nerve (are you a gaming addict? Be honest) and without thinking of a rebuttal, requested one because of the need to oppose what was hurtful and troubling when you read it. If it strikes anyone as troubling and makes you feel resistant, that is the first sign that perhaps the author had a point.
I would say the solution here is not to put up a defense wall when reading something like this. You have to laugh at the long history of public hysteria over fads that its own civilization has invented and enabled; but at the same time it doesn't hurt to be mindful of how much you sacrifice in order to indulge in escapism.
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Well that is stupid.

1. It's a hobby. Being social isn't how lots of people want to spend their time, so why should they be forced to. If I don't enjoy partying and playing sports, why should I have to? I will do what I enjoy, even if that involves secluding myself at times. Yes this is a modern issue, but in the past people used to do exactly the same with books. It's not new...

2. Those statistics are bullshit and have nothing to do with gaming. Young people in general are just getting more lazy and don't want to work. + the ones that do can't anyway because of lack of jobs. Correlation does not equal causation.
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Cowarecool wrote:

Well that is stupid.

1. It's a hobby. Being social isn't how lots of people want to spend their time, so why should they be forced to. If I don't enjoy partying and playing sports, why should I have to? I will do what I enjoy, even if that involves secluding myself at times. Yes this is a modern issue, but in the past people used to do exactly the same with books. It's not new...

2. Those statistics are bullshit and have nothing to do with gaming. Young people in general are just getting more lazy and don't want to work. + the ones that do can't anyway because of lack of jobs. Correlation does not equal causation.


1. Introverts can be social too, in their own way. Not liking to be with large groups of people doesn't mean you don't want to be social. This is actually a way in which multiplayer gaming can be great for you socially. The issue is if you completely detach yourself from reality (which admittedly, probably isn't quite as common as it's depicted in anime).

2. Young people actually want to work, a lot. The US also does not have a jobs crisis. It's not that they can't work or don't want to work, it's that they don't work. Making the claim that "young people in general are just getting more lazy" is directly contrary to your previous claim of "this is how it's always been." If there is a phenomenon in which young people are getting lazier (which honestly I don't really believe), there would have to be a cause for it. Things like that don't happen for no reason.

2.5. The reason adults have a jobs crisis in some parts of the country is because it's much harder to get adults to learn new things. A teenager can pick up programming if they're willing to put in the time and effort, and then can work remotely. The same would work for adults, but adults are typically less enthusiastic about being told that they need to change to adapt with the new world.
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...I think the author needs a hobby.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

https://xkcd.com/1601/

add to that:
2017
"People are playing too much video games and have no social life"



xkcd is kind of simplistic; it tends to reduce to jabs that might occur to the college-educated as smart but aren't actually connected to any more-informed background. I kind of doubt that the historical complaints Munroe lists here were actually real or widespread. And anyway, the idea that the worry of social alienation is made of little more than the older generation's fears is naive; technology always rewrites and reorganizes society, often drastically. And especially now. The media the comic lists may not have stopped interpersonal interaction in ways that are obvious to us as denizens of the 21st century, but they most certainly change, and redirect, our social interactions. Viral pseudo-intellectual snark via electronic stick-figure images certainly wasn't possible 50 years ago, and slacktivism definitely couldn't be a thing without the internet. And what about the notion that everyone can or ought to be activists in some way; did that exist 50 years ago? It does happen increasingly to be true that we can live in social enclaves of like-minded people, and this is greatly facilitated by the internet. Indeed, the use of the word friend in Facebook has made it harder for us to be real friends with people who disagree with us politically.

Technology is a thing it is right to be suspicious of.
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Well the world is becomming an utter shit hole, why would I want to go out and socialize with people I don't like when I can sit indoors, crack open a can of drink and spend the whole weekend playing the games I enjoy?
Posted 7/9/17

sundin13 wrote:

"They don't follow my expectations of how someone should live, so they are obviously doing it wrong"

There is nothing to rebut here. It is a bad argument. End of story.


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Seems like every 20 years e are loosing entire generation to something new How the hell have we even survived as specie?

1919 the Charleston

1939 Jazz music

1959 Rock & Roll

1979 Television

1999 Rap music

Now video games
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Women usually don’t go for men who are less successful than they are, so gaming is going to cause a surge in dissatisfaction among members of both sexes. Unemployed, or underemployed, men residing at Casa de la Mama whose major life skill involves pretend shoot-em-ups are not going to impress many ladies. Accomplished women are going to discover the competition for male peers even tougher than it is today, when there are about three women for every two men enrolled in college.

Sadly Japan has already figured out a solution to that problem....

https://youtu.be/RYNdiLrvwzA
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Them damn kids and their printed news papers back in my day when we went to town it was a multiple day journey and when we got back we worked all day long! Now these kids are spending all of their time reading these newspapers and trying to be more efficient. They aren't building character!
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So basically this in a nutshell:
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I'm not sure if I should agree with this or not. But socializing can be nice and all, but at the end of the day humans are exhausting and tiresome creatures. We need a hobby because we need to get away from the madness that reality and humans bring.
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